shajt Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Cordelia O’NeillThe IndependentOctober 17, 2011A man who used a social networking website to post sectarian comments about Catholics and Celtic supporters has been jailed for eight months.Stephen Birrell, 28, from Glasgow, was also handed a five-year football banning order at Glasgow Sheriff Court for writing the comments on a Facebook page titled Neil Lennon Should Be Banned.He admitted writing the religiously and racially motivated comments between February 28 and March 8 this year.Sentencing him, Sheriff Bill Totten said the courts had to send “a clear message to deter others who might be tempted to behave in this way”.Read full article hereBe careful what you say on the interwebz :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avmad Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Wow. Stuff like this is said all over the net about football. I take it he went a bit further than the usual banter to get this sentence.I liked this bit of the article though: 'Birrell, dressed in a tracksuit with his belongings in a yellow plastic carrier bag, spoke only to confirm his name and address'.Maybe shows his mentality, no offence to tracksuit wearers ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyo Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 :wub: I love each and everybody !!! :wtf: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Racism is a disease... I mean to me.. it is okay to say be into one type of people or the other.. Say some people may be more attracted to one versus the other... but to be outright racist or to use it in a racist manner... It is like a cancer in the brain...People from everywhere should be able to live their lives normally with equal opportunity to pursue all aspects of life.. and to not be held back by one thing or the other because of the color of their skin or ethnicity.. There is beauty in all forms.. to only allow one or two or to not allow them.. is one of the biggest forms of stupidity.. You cut out a huge percentage of cultural and subcultural influences and aspects of new ideas, ways of thinking and communicating.. You miss out on some very great people in my opinion. It may even blind you to the proper communication of ideals and understanding... Anywhere you create a division or separate them in any way... for any reason.. especially when there really is no good reason for any of it... No matter what is used to try to determine it.. there is no form letter for people to learn and use their minds nor gain the skill to comprehend those factors or even try to think through each situation..Labels can be for stupid people... People talk about one another in ways that they see nothing of their own failures.. or that the same can be said of themselves... We should put more effort into becoming better at what we do and facilitating an environment where people thrive and are productive.. This racism even as a form of competitiveness.. is ignorant of all factors.. and regardless of what is ever said.. is never nothing more than a deception or lie.. slanderous..Words should be kept by no one... lashing out without thought sometimes can render these results.. but it usually from the mouths of mentally underdeveloped people( who may need the chance to do so - stress, pressure ), including children... and by those who may have trauma or other aspects which may have effected those areas... in that development... There still has to be a place for a person to go forward an onward in their lives with something better ..at minimum .. in that effort...EDIT: Just looking back... some of this can be a little critical... all of it... Its cut short..of my own doing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brrownie Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Have you heard the one about the racist who choked on Yogurt? He found out there was a foreign culture in it. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niharjhatn Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 There is so much hatred against muslims, browns, blacks, latinos, jews on websites set up with the SOLE intention of race hating and organising shit like that, and NOTHING happens.How much racist stuff do you see on social networking websites directed against those above? And how many times has ANY action been taken?If this guy gets jailed, the other guys got to get jailed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizarre™ Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It clearly teaches people that if you have nothing good to say, keep it to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsvols Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 There is so much hatred against muslims, browns, blacks, latinos, jews on websites set up with the SOLE intention of race hating and organising shit like that, and NOTHING happens.How much racist stuff do you see on social networking websites directed against those above? And how many times has ANY action been taken?If this guy gets jailed, the other guys got to get jailed as well.Your rant has been noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 :think: Something go sideways right here... or is the majority of what he states just so not true your targeting his statement? There is no foul language either.. I don't see the point? Other than possibly a chip on your shoulder.. at a statement that would be regarded as controversial.. I mean if I said that there are hate crimes committed against homosexual individuals would you state that as such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxhedroom Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I am totally against racism but I am totally FOR freedom of speech. I guess that is not the case in Scotland. You can be racist all you want as long as you don't 'act' on it...i.e. discrimination or violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I dunno.. to me ranting and screaming using racist remarks and comments and the effects as well as the act of doing those things seems to go hand in hand.. The point of the subject your making here though is one which would be long thought over.. In many views being this verbal about it is also publicly and lewdly abusive of those targeted.. To others.. usually on the other side it would seem that they would have to care about those people to not do so to them... In a public domain, where it is generalized as public property... It would seem a path to facilitate rioting and violence.. from both sides..I mean I have a similar view.. but for me it stops with 'within the borders of your own life'.. If you do not like Asian, Hispanic, Latino... Native Americans, and you do not enjoy their presence within your life. Then you decide for yourself.. and have those thoughts for yourself. But do not make the mistake of stepping into a public forum of any kind ( not this type of forum - public )... nor in areas physically or otherwise which effect other people and influence this aspect.. not facilitate it.. or use the terminology which dictates a thought pattern or reasoning based upon it... Nor to effect their equality and chances at obtaining all that is available to everyone equally... using those aspects...People can be influenced in many ways.. Feeding a situation which creates and spreads an act which has been deemed illegal... could come under that heading.Freedom of Speech is guaranteed under a few NATO ideals.. and by the US Constitution.. If you study it thoroughly enough, use basic common sense... It is there to make sure that people who are whistle-blowers ( within the realms of reality ).. and People who are fighting for those ideals are protected under that Constitution.. That they will not be silenced, nor punished or denied, or forced to conform to laws or government which has become oppressive..or otherwise..Much like the time it was written in and the events which lead this country to fight for it's Independence...People can say certain act are not illegal yet the consequences and effect of those action and events actually can lead and effect ultimately those involved in the exact manner stated as illegal.. Not to mention of your any kind of a person.. you are doing an injustice to those involved as well as regressing to a much less evolved time... We are to be more intelligent.. The reason for events which may spawn the psychological activity responsible for creating the situation even within itself is not down to culture, religion, race, sex, nor orientation.. It is about what we learn...The ideal of Government was to be a service to its people as a Democracy by the the people and for the people.. The discernment process which takes place in order for those people to develop and reach farther together is to be guaranteed.. AND IT IS the responsibility of those people to insure this country is not lead in the wrong directive... or direction... by any means financial, political, genocidal... or otherwise.. ( Boston Tea Party.. :P ) It is their responsibility to make sure we do not become enslaved as we were .. and turned around and repeated the same mistake of doing to others again.. This should not be ignorant or blind to fighting a perspective which disallows for those opportunities to exist fairly.. nor training or education...EDIT: Example.. 13th Century.. If you got sick.. it was the Devil.. A monk would drill a whole in your head to let out the demons and give you rest so that your soul could move on ( because most of them died from the process ).. Now days we call it a fever from a natural process which exists in our bodies to ward of infection... Example... some teaching would have you believe in many different versions of a book.. that people of 'other colors' and ethnicities are descendants of an ancient set of brothers who were 'cursed and marked' by a certain entity - regardless if this is your personal sect or belief.. or not it is as stated for some.. The off-shoot from this is ranging from greater level of subservience to labeled inherently evil people.. :dunno: per situation and person.. figure in a point of escalation and lack of personal development and you feed what?... TODAY.. we know from investigation that this is simply due to pigmentation and melanin existing within the skin.. which aids in several function and that we all have it present unless we have one of several conditions which effect it... and that we can all be of darker tones ( which I personally find attractive.. :P even on me - of all arrays really.. :rolleyes: ).. We also know that due to certain elements and particles existing within the mass of any given structure... that it will reflect a light frequency.. giving it's percieved color as we know it with the human eye..We also now about genetics and differences which give us an abundant array or body types and appearance and those effecting factors... We also should be aware of the world works and what some may do to survive due to an imbalance which cyclically feeds itself like so many others..( another book about to be written here too.. :P )Its already a book.. so I should stop typing..but you can trace events through history being the point... as well as the fight and struggle to survive and find our dreams... Our mentality towards areas as we have been influenced through generations of mistakes speaks for itself.. It should be met with those guidelines... an emotional outburst could be understood... not apologizing for it.. and still stating those feelings as truth.. I don't think so... and even if.. those things in truth about the particular aspect which have caused that problem to arise should be addressed.. not an under-developed level of reasoning... It is always easier for people to slip backward than it is to alter or change these factors and move forward or better themselves.. as a people and individually.. it is the animal we are... a mixture of things effect it in many ways...from all sides..On a side note.. Money itself.. the dirty little paper it is.... is discriminatory.. :P Real truth in that... It holds too much back. does all the wrong things.. used to determine much worse... Funny at first but really think about it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravian29 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 wao, what about the stuff about muslims on facebook ? youtube ? what about the comments about Muhammad and God ? nobody cares about islam but if someone is saying to other religions thats racism and about islam its called "freedom of speech". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeMasteR Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 He`s a little bit crazy, so who as a normal people would do things like this ?Better now to jail before someone`s gonna die and such a freak will havethe claim to be able to judge who should have a place in the society. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 wao, what about the stuff about muslims on facebook ? youtube ? what about the comments about Muhammad and God ? nobody cares about islam but if someone is saying to other religions thats racism and about islam its called "freedom of speech".Facebook and Social Networking sites.. very large.. very big problem... But really I would say it is much more of an issue with our own humanity and people's ability to understand these things... themselves and harness the being they are..( even their own instincts and thoughts and where they come from ) Straps and chains and mental shackles will never work.. and these areas should be tuned and part of the dynamic nature of what we are.. used correctly and only when needed...Personally I would say this again is about education and intelligence level... Islam is a belief that is also guaranteed as a right under the Constitution.. ( in the US anyway ).. and I know this is unrelated but even within that culture you have many of the same issues and differences which vary.. For instance... a 19 yr old male named Alex and his boyfriend were stripped down.. tied to a stake.. in front of a crowd.. as they were insulted and were stoned to the point of death.. Then burned alive as a public display to homosexuals .. This occurred several years ago the details may evade me to be correct but I believe it was in Iran..The side effect here is basically narcissism.. some would say 'bigotry'.. or in other words.. 'There is no reason for you to be that way to me or people who share those aspects..' ... 'BUT, I am going to stand here and do nothing for you because I only technically care about how I think about myself and my views and I will not protect yours or even help' or turn a blind eye because they understand completely why.. and 'Its your test not mine..' They may even believe in that effect... themselves.. Don't be racist against me but I can be racist against something that makes me feel that way.. and I don't care as long as I am taken care of and doing fine....Some people actually miss the whole disgusting state of the whole thing or even find excuses to state superiority over it.. Why they should not be.. and/or why they should have to learn how to deal with it.. and the side effects...That their actions or worth more than that yet place no value in anything anyone else does...But like I said some people have no clue how screwed up their perception is.. or even how pathetic and 'rickety' or narcissistic that it is.. Some believe it is owed to them over other people.. which is racism... outright though they may not be dressing in white sheets and burning crosses in your front yard.. or dragging your loved ones and friends to their death behind a car... Some know right well what they are doing.. even in an effort to fight for race superiority in all areas which they are involved by facilitating success and rewards in those areas only to certain individuals.. For many reasons... ( not just limited to race.. but all other areas and clout or clique related.. even Alumni...Bad decisions, lack of skill... developmental issues.. How they were taught and raised.. even traumatic events... and Emotional involvement... It is all right there.. If you protect one, then you protect all.. You ever want people to look past boundaries which they are taught or told.. and you point that finger.. you have four more pointing right back at you with your hand... Regardless or who we are or people from the same have been in the past... I think people should be helped in some way to understand basic human psychology.. We are deceived in some ways by many of the same things and ideas we use to bring one another together.. Your not supposed to give up.. nor expect all of these situations to turn out the same way... We have to keep trying until we find what we are looking for.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onix Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Muslims are assimilating the christians and this will not change until racism is world wide event. /watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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