shajt Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Painting depicting an aged Adolf Hitler in his 70s"The biggest revelation is an authenticated secret German document which lists Hitler as one of the passengers evacuated by plane from Austria to Barcelona on April 26, 1945."Although official history contends Hitler committed suicide with his newlywed wife, Eva Braun, on April, 30 1945 and their corpses were burned by others in the Berlin bunker, Abel Basti claims proof the story is a fabrication.According to Basti's meticulous research, the leader of the Third Reich spent his last years as an art dealer and had facial plastic surgery to change his appearance.Those are just two of the astounding revelations that respected Argentine journalist and historian Abel Basti documents in his book, Hitler's Exile.TIME magazine announces Hitler's death in 1945While the book was a runaway bestseller across South America, it's been suppressed in the United States and the Russian Federation. Those two countries still maintain that Germany's Führer committed suicide during the last days of World War Two.World newspapers report Hitler dead...were they wrong?The claim that Hitler and some high-ranking Schutzstaffel (SS) officers escaped Germany and fled to South America is not new.Nil Nikandrov observes (Strategic Culture Foundation, "All the Leaders of the Third Reich Fled to Latin America"): "In his well-documented, The Hitler Survival Myth (1981), Donald McKale identifies the earliest source of the myth of Hitler's escape to the southern hemisphere as the unexpected surrender of a German submarine in early July 1945 at Mar del Plata, Argentina."Several Buenos Aires newspapers, in defiance of Argentine Navy statements, said that rubber boats had been seen landing from it, and other submarines spotted in the area."On July 16, 1945, the Chicago Times carried a sensational article on the Hitlers having slipped off to Argentina.”July 16, 1945: Chicago Times reports Hitler fled to South AmericaThe Hitler-in-Argentina tale first surfaced in a book back in 1947"Ladislao Zsabó, a Hungarian advertiser, witnessed the arrival of the U-530 and saw its crew disembarking. He had heard that the destination was the German Antarctica and, mistakenly, made a supposition that Hitler had escaped to Antarctica, and published the book Hitler está Vivo (Hitler is Alive), where he speaks about the possible location of Hitler, in Queen's Maud properties, opposite the Weddel Sea, that was then renamed Neuschwabenland, when the area was explored in 1938/39 by the German expedition [led] by Captain Ritschter.Brick from wall of Nazi complex in Patagonia"Zsabó made the wrong assumption."Had he read the book by Professor Hugo Fernandez Artucio published in 1940, Nazis en el Uruguay, (Nazis in Uruguay) he would had discovered that there actually was a plan referring to German Antarctica, but this was nothing but the term they used for the Patagonia and that this information had been made public in New York in 1939." [Nil Nikandrov]'Eagle's Nest" stonework on wall of German complex, Argentina.Basti doggedly digs deeperWhen there's so much smoke there's usually a fire. Basti tracked down that fire during seven years of sometimes grueling investigations.Author-journalist Abel Basti holds copy of his bestselling bookHe personally visited German compounds surrounded by security and stern-faced guards, interviewed surviving witnesses in villages near the strongholds, and even obtained authenticated photographs of Hitler and Braun during their exile years.Alleged photo of Adolf and Eva with daughter Urich in Argentina"Basti wrote that A. Hitler, E. Braun, and Führer's closest aides flew from the burning Berlin to Spain...and then crossed the Atlantic Ocean by three submarines and reached Argentina."In July-August, 1945 Hitler and his clique landed in the Rio black person province near the Caleta de los Loros village and moved on further into Argentine."Allegedly, the same secret route prepared by SS chief Himmler's staff was later used by Bormann, Mengele, and Eichmann."Basti detailed the journey of A. Hitler and E. Braun across Argentina assisted by local Nazi sympathizers and described the couple’s family life during which—despite the hardships of hiding—they even had children."Alleged photo of Hitler in disguise, Buenos Aires meeting, 1952Stonewalling SovietsThe Soviets weren't helpful on the matter of the German leader's death."The Soviets continued to be difficult. They refused to allow Westerners into Berlin even after the surrender of Dönitz's government and the last armies in the field on May 7-9. On May 10, they announced the existence of the burned bodies in the Chancellory courtyard, but only allowed that one might be Hitler. The same report went on to say that his body might never be found."On June 6, a spokesman for the Soviet army in Berlin announced unequivocally that Hitler had committed suicide and that his body had been identified. Three days later, Marshall Zhukov, the head of the Soviet army gave a press conference with Deputy Foreign Minister Andrei Vishinski looking over his shoulder. 'We did not identify the body of Hitler,' he said. 'I can say nothing definite about his fate. He could have flown away from Berlin at the very last moment.'" [Nil Nikandrov ] Interview with BastiIn an interview on Deadline - Live, an Argentine news program, journalist Santiago Romero interviewed Abel Basti about Hitler's escape, life in Patagonia, and the events that followed World War Two. ["Hitler huyó a la Patagonia en un submarino que zarpó desde Vigo" Edited.]Romero: What is your opinion on Hitler’s escape?Basti: "Hitler escaped via air from Austria to Barcelona. The last stage of his escape was in a submarine, from Vigo, heading straight to the coast of Patagonia. Finally, Hitler and Eva Braun, in a car with a chauffeur and bodyguard—a motorcade of at least three cars—drove to Bariloche (Argentina)."He took refuge in a place called San Ramon, about 15 miles east of that town. It is a property of about 250,000 acres with a lake-front view of Lake Nahuel Huapi, which had been German property since the early twentieth century, when it belonged to a German firm by the name of Schamburg-Lippe."An alleged Hitler family home: Hacienda San RamonRomero: "On what basis do you claim that Hitler was in Spain after leaving his Berlin bunker?"Basti: "I was able to confirm the presence of Hitler in Spain thanks to a—now elderly—Jesuit priest, whose family members were friends of the Nazi leader. And I have witnesses that allude to meetings he had with his entourage at the place where they stayed in Cantabria.Mr. and Mrs Hitler in Spain before voyage to Patagonia"In addition, a document of the British secret services reveals that in those days, a Nazi submarine convoy left Spain, and after stopping in the Canary Islands, it continued its journey to the south of Argentina."Hitler and Eva Braun traveled onboard one of these submarines, which later arrived in Patagonia between July and August of 1945, under the de facto President Edelmiro Farrell and later Juan Domingo Peron, then his Minister of War. There is also another important document mentioning that the FBI was looking for Hitler in Spain after World War II."Romero: "From where did he leave to Patagonia?"Basti: "All the evidence points to the Galician coast, which was a significant base of supplies for Nazi submarines during the Battle of the Atlantic, to the extent that Churchill considered the possibility of invading it—an action that was scrapped when they built the code-breaking “Enigma” machine and managed to decipher Nazi submarine fleet messages and the course of submarine warfare was reversed.“There is the possibility that he left from Vigo or Ferrol, but it is almost certain that he did from Vigo, according to Britain’s MI6."Romero: "What was Hitler’s life in Argentina like?"Basti: "Hitler lived as a fugitive with his wife and his bodyguard. His first years were in Patagonia, and then he lived in the more northern provinces [of Argentina]."In the early years, he held meetings in different parts of Argentina, and with other Nazis in Paraguay, as well as with sympathizers from foreign countries.“He shaved his head and mustache, so he was not easily recognizable. He lived away from large urban areas, although he had a few meetings in Buenos Aires. He died in the sixties in Argentina.“I’m currently investigating where he was buried and how he lived his last days."Romero: "Did you have access to documents from the former Soviet Union?"Basti: "Until his death in 1953, Stalin always believed that Hitler had escaped. In 1945, Stalin told the Allies this same information. There are three different shorthand writings in which Stalin mentioned that the German leader had fled."In Argentina, I have interviewed people who had seen and met with Hitler. In the Russian archives, there is abundant documentation that shows that Hitler had escaped."Romero: "How did your book impact the official story of Hitler’s death?"Basti: "Despite the recent investigations that proved that Hitler’s remains at the Kremlin in Russia did not belong to him, most Russians have always rejected the theory that he escaped. The same applies to the nations involved in the war:“The U.S. has just reclassified [under national security auspices] for 20 [more] years all official material related to this story, and when that deadline is met, it will probably be reclassified.“The British reclassified all related documentation for 60 more years. The researchers cannot access that information." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majithia23 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 some things just refuse to go away , alive or dead or missing or in some other world , will always be the cause or part of something .. . . . . . . . . . <_<interesting read nonetheless ...+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambrocious Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I too have heard that he may have survived as well but am still not sure if this is true or not. Anything is possible in this sick world we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avmad Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Elvis sings to him every night before bed :rolleyes: Is someone trying to sell books I wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shajt Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 It's very possible.It's a known fact that many nazi's were found in south america after the WW2 , mostly in Argentina.So, if they managed to escape and move there, why not Hitler ?btw this is nothing new, in fact there are numerous documentaries dealing with this subject, including Discovery, History, National Geographic channel and many others.Just google for example "hitler argentina" and you'll see what I mean.What's interesting with this particular article released yesterday, is that the author is from Argentina and he's well known nazi hunter / expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avmad Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I just can't imagine him 'surviving' from all his enemies. Which there are millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myidisbb Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 this is very easy. dna. the (think it was an uncle) of hilter that fled to the usa had children. the last one dead 1-3 years ago. but really. the mossad would had found him if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeetPirate Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 History is really filled with lies you know, Hitler wasn't as bad as people claimed. His reasons for going to war was never anything like what the world is brainwashed into thinking. First of all Hitler declared war on America in 1941 because of America's incessant meddling in the affairs of European countries. It was because the US president kept using his influence to meddle and create conflicts and prevent conflicts from being resolved peacefully, essentially spreading the American hate propaganda that continues today against countries such as Cuba. Hitler went to war because America kept making deals with one contending side of European conflicts for American economic gains; essentially the same thing they currently do all over the middle east. Hitler declared war on America because president Roosevelt made sure to sabotage every possibility of a European peace policy. President Roosevelt hypocritically claimed to be interested in peace, while threatening every country interested in pursuing peace with embargoes; sounds about right doesn't it? In 1939 Roosevelt started talking all over his ass about the internal affairs of Europe that were of no concern to USA; again doesn't this sound exactly like what America would do? America had no right meddling in the affairs of those countries because an American could never understand a damn thing about Europe or the culture and historical circumstances of the people and what causes the problems. Roosevelt refused to acknowledge governments he did not like, this lead to America pushing their way into occupying Greenland and Iceland; nowadays America just destroys regimes they don't like and plant new ones with puppets they could manipulate. Roosevelt demanded that Hitler and Mussolini end their non-agression agreements with several countries.In November 1939 The Neutrality Act was revised in favour of a one-sided supply of weapons to German Adversaries. In April 1940 America froze all Norwegian and Danish assets by lying and saying that they didn't want it to fall into German hands; again with the lies and deceit that is America. In May 1940 Dutch and Belgian assets were frozen (aka stolen by America). In June 1940 Roosevelt promised the French premier that America would double its aid to France if France continued the war against Germany; who is the war monger now? In June 1940 America stole the French Casablanca gold and in order to justify the squandering of money into the military, Roosevelt would periodically invent crises and act as though there were immediate attacks coming to America, he even went as far as cancelling trips to quickly return to Washington in order to brainwash his followers; something that is continued to this day to justify the wastage of Billions of dollars.What about Germany invading Poland, that wasn't just on a whim either. Poland brutally killed many German women, children, they gouged out the eyes of many, brutally raped many German women and young girls. The Polish government even openly admitted to these crimes over a radio broadcast. None of the bastard democratic governments said anything to protest this barbaric behaviour towards Germans; quite similar to what happens today. Unlike the Polish barbarians, the German Luftwaffe only fought against armed forces, the Germans did not brutally murder Polish civilians, however the Polish government incited civilians to covertly fight against Germans. The sadistic Polish beasts murdered and raped tens of thousands of Germans while the self righteous American gov't never once protested against this injustice.What about Germany invading Russia? That one is quite simple, Russia was about to invade Germany, Roosevelt made a deal with Stalin at the Yalta conference to assist the West in destroying Germany. This is a justifiable reason for Germany to declare war, but history as dictated by the capitalist liars likes to brainwash everyone into thinking otherwise.What about this lie about Hitler gassing 6 million Jews? Well that number only came to be 6 million when the German government indicated that they would compensate affected Jewish families with money. Pretty much the number escalated due to a massive insurance scam to get free money from Germany.What do I think about Hitler? I think he was a great man, he brought up Germany from the nothingness of world war 1 into a massive force that the Americans feared because of course nobody is allowed to have a superior military force than America else they do everything in their means to disarm such nations. Hitler developed Germany post world war 1 into a great nation in a very short space of time, he earned the confidence and trust of the German population. Unlike popular lies and propaganda, Hitler actually had honourable principles when it came to wars and governing.I'm actually very happy about the current American economic situation, finally justice caught up to them for all their meddling and injustice and suffering and hatred they brought upon this world. Americans should be the last people to point fingers at any other nation because they are all immigrants who invaded North American lands and extinguished the native real Americans and assumed their identity. What a sadistic nation filled with liars.I don't expect you all to understand, half of you guys are probably brainwashed by the American version of history, you will continue to be sheep living in a box and doing as you are told while your rights are taken away from you under false pretence of imminent threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshall39 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 At the end of the war in 1945 he was already almost dead.See how his arm was shaking because of the Parkinson.How could he lived until 1960?That was a strategy made by Staline to let people believe he was still alive, although he perfectly knew his men (Beria mainly) had discovered Hitler's body in Berlin.@LeetPirate , you have your opinion , I respect it , but be careful , it could bring you a lot of troubles.As for 9/11 , don't forget it is forbidden to say you do not agree with what you are told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shajt Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 Hitler was a great man.There's no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majithia23 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Hitler was a great man ....:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshall39 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Hitler was a great man.There's no doubt about it.If yo don't think about some "bad sides" of what he did , sure he was great.A guy , who was nobody in 1920 , and almost master of the world 20 years later , is undoubtely an uncommon person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atasas Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 for effing sakes! winner of the war declared Hitler absolutely inhuman, few others where in the line since, just ever so rarely we(commoners) get to know full picture as how is what... and Hitler- we can not know the full truth, as it is not in our interests to know. Then Israelli'sm- those will make any sense in to something else, whilst it might be ever "so one sided" opinion...BTW topic is turning in to one of many- abolished theories(here) as us "a bit of know how peeps" got better things to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shajt Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 If yo don't think about some "bad sides" of what he did , sure he was great.A guy , who was nobody in 1920 , and almost master of the world 20 years later , is undoubtely an uncommon person.When you set a goal like he did , sure there must be some "bad sides" along the way.But that's the part of the war.Besides, take a look what US of A is doing around the world, I bet they killed more people after the WWII then nazi's did.Not to mention what they did to Japan in 1945 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeetPirate Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Besides, take a look what US of A is doing around the world, I bet they killed more people after the WWII then nazi's did.Not to mention what they did to Japan in 1945 ....USA is the king of deception, nobody talks about how the American invaders obliterated an entire civilization. It does not even hurt their hearts to think about it. Nobody counted the millions of Native Americans who were brutally and mercilessly murdered and had their lands stolen from them, but they are quick to invent bodycounts where it benefits them. Nobody can bring the hate and vengeance like an American government.There is never any good side to war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyo Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Haha... a few more posts and Hitler is abolished of all his sins, ready for admission into paradise. Europe is littered with the material (not invented) consequences of his regime's actions and brutality. It doesn't help comparing it with US... both were/are bad!Great men indeed, each of these ruling guys :frusty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shajt Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 USA is the king of deceptionYou're wrong there, Israel is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeetPirate Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 USA is the king of deceptionYou're wrong there, Israel is.True, can't really disagree with you there. Maybe USA is the queen of deception. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karachidude Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 kdude lols :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shajt Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 True, can't really disagree with you there. Maybe USA is the queen of deception. :lol:LOL , nicely put :)USA is more like a bitch, controlled by a banking cartel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver90 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Haha... a few more posts and Hitler is abolished of all his sins, ready for admission into paradise. Europe is littered with the material (not invented) consequences of his regime's actions and brutality. It doesn't help comparing it with US... both were/are bad!Great men indeed, each of these ruling guys :frusty:LOL.. agreed... these people are genociders and yet we can't deny their impact on the history of the world and how humanity progresses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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