tysroby Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 One of my favorite websites posted a new wallpaper today, that made me really angry. A swastika. And in several different resolutions for iPhone, iPad, Normal Screen, Widescreen, HD. http://www.wallpaperfx.com/other/miscellaneous/swastika-wallpaper-3720.htmI understand that there are a few freakin' narrow-minded über-humans out there with arian blood flowing through their veins, and one of them uploaded this wallpaper. But shouldn't the administrator or owner or whoever edit the content of that website. It's freakin' great they edit the comments but anyone can upload anything. So please visit the website, leave a comment urging the deletion of the wallpaper, or share your feelings regarding the morality of uploading something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I agree... but i doubt they will, freedom of expression will rule here i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shajt Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 WW2 was over more than 65 years ago , I mean cmon ...It's a symbol, BS , nothing more ... no need 2 get upset over those things.What about movies and documentaries , do you get angry when you see swastika ?Wallpaper ... whatever ... btw it's nice looking one :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 It is rather nicely done.. and NO, I do not back a powder snorting, schizophrenic, racist, narcissistic, regime bent on world domination and control. I was going to say something earlier.. but I was unsure..There are several ' motif's ' and themes that go back to that era.. I have met and know several artist who actually have one of these.. but usually never in a way that they believe or back the ideas or the current state of the many subcultural 'regimes', their objectives nor their involvement in hate crimes or sabotage of others existence. In a way anymore it is as its depicted.. Worn, old a symbol of a time past but a reminder that even yet still today.. You don't have to wave this flag to know and see things of this nature occur... Some also have a respect for the level of so called ' pride and prestige...' and faith.. subservience..Having this appear within my life as representative symbol would never have its place.. yet in observance of the thought process which can occur following, I do.. I have seen this image appear within electro-minimal art.. as decoration... and as part of a collage of Gothic era reminiscence; which also included items from other times which tend to mirror a ' fishnets and cigarettes ' society.... Shown usually a little classy but only as something that has foreshadowed..I am sure some skinhead somewhere has it on their desktop right now drooling and paying his respects.. They need Desktop Art too I guess... But truthfully we do ultimately become the narcissist ourselves when we try to limit the freedom of art and expression to anyone. There will be and may be many things displeasing to us all.. but this no reason to, in a way vandalize those rights... and have it ripped down.. Belief in these things is one thing, but to follow in the bloodbath which was the past as the path and journey now would be ultimately the crimes committed, as well as even making decisions based on these beliefs which effect others lives.. THAT.. you can rip down.. THAT.. you can remove..There is a past to my life and a part now which would find even seeing this.. or even more at seeing this or statement of such flying high and proud on your Town Square...horrendous - which number one I would think it incredibly stupid as so many are actually given to violence on the subject from either side.. It might even come to be the blame of any event which caused a negative effect upon those having it....I see the point, I have felt the point being made.. but you have to realize that just like a form of terrorism.. the subject matter itself can grab hold of you and bring you into the picture in the same light .. even before you realize it.. and only as fact of the matter to defend your own... Its a tight rope act.. with so many people on so many levels of development, from so many backgrounds.. and ideal-pools on which we base our intelligence and development, AND out knowledge.. that we cross lines others would not be able to really see at first... in melding those areas and developing our thoughts I think we become many people... in many different perspectives...The only freedom we really have is within ourselves... finding the common thread where we unravel, really is not the challenge... We are only the sum of our mental connections.. and experiences... Its all out there and its is all apart of us.. the ugly and ghastly.. along with it beauty and pride... we simply have to find our place within it .. for our own identity and when it should stand... closure with all subjects and complacency.. and stability within knowing ourselves....We do have to be aware.. but at terms.. Not sickly and traumatized as a warning to all who pass by... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted November 25, 2010 Administrator Share Posted November 25, 2010 I think it's somewhere related to the happenings. You see, just couple of days ago M$ announced or may well block the Swastika on Xbox servers or something. Now, there has been wild response against it all over the internet. I tend to conclude that this pic is one of a protester of the M$ doing so. Having said that, lets not forget that Swastika is thousands of years old symbol in Hindu religion that defines peace and many more holy things that cannot be described in a post. It's just that a Dr under that half moustache guy turned the symbol 45 degrees and did totally opposite of it's real meaning.You may try to ask them to remove it, otherwise, just forget it, there can be these type of pics all over the net, we can't go and tell each of them to remove it.BTW, I should thank you for introducing me to such a nice site for wallpapers. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizarre™ Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Guys, before you condemn the symbol of Swastika do you even know its true meaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipo Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 it`s an ancient symbol with lots of meanings. to associate ite it with actions of the german people it`s a mistake (imho).they adopted it little before WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Well the point I think that is being made is of the Wallpaper itself which is an exact replica of the Nazi Swastika... Tilting it 45 degrees and adding the ancient hindu markers would change it.. but the current target being the Wallpaper.. In word format the word swastika is quite different from the depiction.. So while the original symbol is not associated.. the one create by Hitler.. is... and they are not the same.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysroby Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 @heath28m: all I can reply is well said!@Bizarre: A lot of us know the origins of the swastika, I even have a book describing and analyzing the origins of all Nazi symbols. But when you look at the swastika in it's Hindu decorative form, you do not think about the same thing as when you are staring at a Nazi flag.And yes, freedom of expression could be invoked in this case, but I know for a fact that this symbol is banned by law in my country (and several others). And yes, we are lucky and we are free, but even so, our freedom comes with a few limitations and with good reason. For instance I can do whatever I want and go wherever I wish but I can't break into someone's house and steal all the valuables. So you have total freedom over your own life as long as your actions don't have a negative effect upon other people's life, causing them physical, material or psychological damage. Would it be condoned in the USA to see people walking around casually wearing big white sheets with tall pointy hoods covering their heads? No, and not because white sheets are bad, but because the full and final picture represents something bad. Just as it does in this case. This is not just a swastika, it is a tilted swastika on a red background. What does that stand for? It definitely doesn't represent life, sun, strength or good luck.If there is nothing else to back up that posting this, as an art form, something to please us esthetically, is wrong, I still believe in a moral code, that tells me: it is wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anemones2 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 heil!Shape warz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Would it be condoned in the USA to see people walking around casually wearing big white sheets with tall pointy hoods covering their heads? No, and not because white sheets are bad, but because the full and final picture represents something bed. Just as it does in this case. This is not just a swastika, it is a tilted swastika on a red background. What does that stand for? It definitely doesn't represent life, sun, strength or good luck.I am not trying to undermine your point right there.. ( and I only bolded bed.. because its a funny typo.. sheets.. bed.. LOL )..BUT Have you ever seen a KKK rally?... That is exactly what you see.. in fact to the point that they almost take over a whole town...Yes marching on the ground to show themselves and their numbers... Yes it is wrong.. remember David Duke being plastered all over the TV? Maybe it is different and could be for a good reason.. but Freedoms in this country state that you can do this.. as long as no laws are broken..NOW.. that being said.. what happens when you insight a riot? Create paranoia? Or make a statement that your going to do this.. or that.. Homeland Security may very well be standing on your doorstep the next day.. :) I think though in a way, especially younger people.. grab a hold of these symbols... Just like I remember in middle school... They grab a hold of these symbols which are cursed and so on.. to represent their own identity.. to assert themselves.. when it can be nothing more than something rebellious... ( Truthfully metaphorically symbolic or something completely different and only relative to themselves ) It winds up being nothing more than showing that they are going to do things that completely go against everything being shoved down their throats.. in their eyes.. and the maniac level of fear and punishment placed on them.. when its seen or found... only pushes them out of their own to understand and find their way on their own.. like the Anarchy symbol when I was younger... or an upside down star with a circle.. or just a star... with a dot n the middle.. all of it deviating from the sociological mainstream.. You want something different.. and you don't even want part in this seemingly obscene war being waged on one thing or the other.. and you show and exhibit that ability.. ( sometimes by getting to know the other side of the story and the people themselves involved ) When it goes too far and the wrong ' types ' comes along however you may actually make decisions that would not otherwise be made had someone taken these subjects in the right light... and the stress level which is pushing you away, lowered.. or at terms... instead of some hideous freak-out and total loss of control of the person on the other side of everything.. You are also looking for something with strength.. not something weak and scared.. skulking in the shadows.. Ultimately you see how it related to a young teenager trying to fight their way to having the freedom and control of their own lives... and in the long run experiencing life so that they can make informed decisions on their own... for themselves... regardless of all of the shaping, beating... and punishment.. Its a part of instinct.. to search out yourself as well as the world and its contents around you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioActive Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 No offense intended, but discussing it here seems counter-productive (if not a waste of your time). If you're offended by it then I believe you should discuss it directly with the staff of that website then they're the ones who can do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darker_Than_Black Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Fighting over a symbol... how pathetic... -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 i dont see this as an argument, merely a discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizarre™ Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 @tysroby:What do you see? All I see is a picture. Nothing more, nothing less. If anyone hates it, then don't look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysroby Posted November 26, 2010 Author Share Posted November 26, 2010 @heath28m I probably shouldn't have mentioned the KKK, after all I don't live in the US so I don't have first hand information regarding them. I enjoyed reading both your comments, it is an objective analysis, something I don't believe I could do.I dislike this symbol so much, because of the things I had to go through growing up as a member of a minority in my country. Shortly after the fall of communism, inter-ethnic tensions began to boil (between Romanians and the Hungarian minority). I was being hated, most of the time without any good reason and I had problems to face only because I spoke one extra language. I was six years old, when I began school and for the next decade or so I had to face a lot of sh*t (bullying, beating) because of my cultural heritage. So this got to me, and I will never forget it, because I was a kid when all this happened to me. Luckily things have dramatically changed since, in a good way of course, but I will always hate cultural and ethnic discrimination and all the symbols that stand for it.@Bizarre™One picture may have 100 different meanings for 100 different people. Not looking at something to make it go away, won't make it go away. That's just ignorance. I can't stick my head in the sand every time I see something I dislike.@LohengrinNone taken. I did contact the website-administrators, but I doubt they'll respond.Anyway, I am glad I went on with this thread. I was hesitant at first, after all it is a delicate topic. If in anyway I may have caused discomfort to anyone by posting my feelings, i want to apologize, there was no harm intended. And I want to thank for everyone's insight regarding this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Well at an early age... and with something that severe.. It can be traumatizing to the point that it becomes almost as strong as instinct.. Totally understandable.. Very bad to hear you had to experience it... I have been a victim of hate crimes in the past... and violence... Half of which are only founded upon assumption and absence of fact.. random if you ask me.. and winds up being based on what ever imbalance exists and what lack of development is and has been passed on from generation to generation.. A psychological point..Be glad you live in a country where it is illegal.. and I too probably agree that symbols representing it.. and used in the same original form; should be removed from society as an influence .. or a painful reminder of its presence.. I see nothing in this world as to why this should be repeated.. nor remain...It is a shame that we are not born as more than we are.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizarre™ Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 One picture may have 100 different meanings for 100 different people. Not looking at something to make it go away, won't make it go away. That's just ignorance. I can't stick my head in the sand every time I see something I dislike.True, but procrastinating over something trivial is counter productive even borderline obsessive compulsion.Don't misunderstand. It's not that I like / hate the picture. It's all in the past, just let sleeping dogs lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Yeah... It is true... you have to find a place to go on and past these events.. some of which may even be behavioral reprogramming.. right down to the way you think.. by coming to terms with it.. and moving on.. Some things are atrocities.. in life and the trauma and problems they cause can be like a domino effect... New perspective, clear of it... without this in the back of your mind.. to move on to better days.. and a happier life... They often call these 'Relapses'.. and can go on for quite sometime.. until you make the same mistakes of the past.. and wind up reliving the horror... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avmad Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 I'd be pretty shocked if I saw that on someones pc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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