Recruit Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Hello Guys, As you can read here, the EOL of Windows 10 v.1607 ( latest version of Enterprise LTSB ) will expire next month. Actually, as you can read, it has been ended in April, but it has been extended with six months, what means the last month will be october. I guess M$ needs to put something else in place. Also, the file called basebrd.dll.mui from build 17751.1 "talks" about more editions, including: Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC Windows 10 Enterprise N LTSC Is that mean that will be released soon, or is just a preparation for next year? If you have additional information, please share it! Have a great day, all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace_N_kelly Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 In the first link you provided , when scrolling down a little , the section " LTSB Edition" said that the v1607 ltsb will be extended supported till October 2026 ? If they release a new ltsb-ltsc 2018-19 , I'll surely change my ltsb 2016 for it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recruit Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, ace_N_kelly said: said that the v1607 ltsb will be extended supported till October 2026 ? Yes, but there is no specification for v1607, so can be any other version... Quote Enterprise LTSB editions Windows 10 LTSB editions will continue to follow the Fixed Lifecycle policy. To learn more, please see Microsoft Fixed Policy Details. Windows 10 version history Date of availability Mainstream support end date Extended support end date Windows 10 Enterprise 2016 LTSB Windows 10 IoT Enterprise 2016 LTSB August 2, 2016 October 12, 2021 October 13, 2026 Windows 10 Enterprise 2015 LTSB Windows 10 IoT Enterprise 2015 LTSB July 29, 2015 October 13, 2020 October 14, 2025 Note: Not all features in an update will work on all devices. A device may not be able to receive updates if the device hardware is incompatible, lacks current drivers, or is otherwise outside the original equipment manufacturer’s (OEM) support period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry DS Alsyundawy Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Windows 10 Enterprise 2016 LTSB << RS1 << 1493 << 1607 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyko666 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I'll wait for the LTSC version too! Hope it arrives soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trufpal Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 15 hours ago, Recruit said: Yes, but there is no specification for v1607, so can be any other version... LTSC 2016 = v1607 There's no other version number for LTSC 2016. LTSC doesn't follow the regular Semi-Annual Channel release cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recruit Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 5 hours ago, trufpal said: LTSC 2016 = v1607 There's no other version number for LTSC 2016. LTSC doesn't follow the regular Semi-Annual Channel release cycle. Well, v1607 is still LTSB, not LTSC. There is a contradiction: - They are saying the support for v1607 will be ended up next month, October, 2018. - In the same time, they extended support for LTSB 2016 ( which is v1607 ) until October, 2026. Is anyone able to explain that? What I think is they will offer further only security updates for this version (2016), but will not offer any feature update until 2026 for those who want to keep it installed. For those who are looking for feature updates, they will offer a new edition, this year, or maybe next.....and I guess this it will be their policy in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skunk1966 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, Recruit said: Well, v1607 is still LTSB, not LTSC. There is a contradiction: - They are saying the support for v1607 will be ended up next month, October, 2018. - In the same time, they extended support for LTSB 2016 ( which is v1607 ) until October, 2026. Is anyone able to explain that? What I think is they will offer further only security updates for this version (2016), but will not offer any feature update until 2026 for those who want to keep it installed. For those who are looking for feature updates, they will offer a new edition, this year, or maybe next.....and I guess this it will be their policy in the future. maybe it has something to do with this: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/ukplatforms/2018/06/11/say-no-to-long-term-servicing-channel-ltsc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1ave77 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 48 minutes ago, Recruit said: There is a contradiction: - They are saying the support for v1607 will be ended up next month, October, 2018. - In the same time, they extended support for LTSB 2016 ( which is v1607 ) until October, 2026. No contradiction. Original LTSB was 2015, but needed an Update due to stability/reliability issues, so LTSB 2016 was released out of schedule to address the issues. LTSB is in general a special case with it's own licensing, 5 years mainstream + 5 years extended support. So EOL for LTSB 2015 is 2025 and for LTSB 2016 respectively 2026. All 'rolling' releases have a life-span of 18 months with additional 6 month for Enterprise/Education editions. LTSC (Branch became Channel) 2018 was announced to arrive with the 'October 2018 Update' aka 1809 next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recruit Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 45 minutes ago, Skunk1966 said: maybe it has something to do with this: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/ukplatforms/2018/06/11/say-no-to-long-term-servicing-channel-ltsc/ This article might have been great if wouldn't contained some puerile arguments like these: Quote No support for the modern Edge browser No support for Cortana No support for Windows Store The people who need LTSB/LTSC are looking to avoid just this crap.....and maybe more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skunk1966 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, Recruit said: This article might have been great if wouldn't contained some puerile arguments like these: I share your feelings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1ave77 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 That blog post definitely contradicts itself. Assuming a user (like me) doesn't use the Store (and any UWP apps) or Defender all arguments are nullified. Since LTSB(/C) is meant for also sensitive devices i would doubt it's unsecure in any way, still the post is trying to imply that indirectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skunk1966 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 hour ago, s1ave77 said: That blog post definitely contradicts itself. Assuming a user (like me) doesn't use the Store (and any UWP apps) or Defender all arguments are nullified. Since LTSB(/C) is meant for also sensitive devices i would doubt it's unsecure in any way, still the post is trying to imply that indirectly. I guess we'll have to wait and see what MS comes up with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trufpal Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Recruit said: Well, v1607 is still LTSB, not LTSC. LTSC = LTSB Microsoft renamed it at a whim to add more confusion towards their users. Quote Naming changes As part of the alignment with Windows 10 and Office 365 ProPlus, we are adopting common terminology to make it as easy as possible to understand the servicing process. Going forward, these are the new terms we will be using: Semi-Annual Channel - We will be referring to Current Branch (CB) as "Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted)", while Current Branch for Business (CBB) will simply be referred to as "Semi-Annual Channel". Long-Term Servicing Channel - The Long-Term Servicing Branch (LTSB) will be referred to as Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC). You can read more about that from here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-overview 5 hours ago, Recruit said: There is a contradiction: - They are saying the support for v1607 will be ended up next month, October, 2018. - In the same time, they extended support for LTSB 2016 ( which is v1607 ) until October, 2026. There's no contradiction here. As I already said LTSC/LTSB have different release cycle from Semi-Annual Channel. So please stop mixing them together! To help you understand, there are two release channel of Windows 10: Semi-Annual Channel. This is the regular release channel which happens twice in a year. Long-Term Servicing Channel. This is what widely known as LTSB and so far there's only 2 releases. LTSB 2015 which is based on v1507 and LTSB 2016 which is based on v1607 6 hours ago, Recruit said: What I think is they will offer further only security updates for this version (2016), but will not offer any feature update until 2026 for those who want to keep it installed. This was always the case for LTSC. You really seem confused about what LTSC is. Quote The LTSC servicing model prevents Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB devices from receiving the usual feature updates and provides only quality updates to ensure that device security stays up to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recruit Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 30 minutes ago, trufpal said: This was always the case for LTSC This argument is valid only if you keep installed the same edition until EOL. 2015 was the first edition, had the features of default edition of W10 except those ones well-known: EDGE, Cortana, Store, Metro Apps.... 2016 received all features of RS1... 2018/19 will receive all features of RS5 maybe RS7 if it will be next fall..... And so on .....when they will decide to release a new edition.... So, there are feature updates if you decide to make a new installation of current edition of LTSB/C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trufpal Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 59 minutes ago, Recruit said: This argument is valid only if you keep installed the same edition until EOL. 2015 was the first edition, had the features of default edition of W10 except those ones well-known: EDGE, Cortana, Store, Metro Apps.... 2016 received all features of RS1... 2018/19 will receive all features of RS5 maybe RS7 if it will be next fall..... And so on .....when they will decide to release a new edition.... So, there are feature updates if you decide to make a new installation of current edition of LTSB/C. That's because they're based on different versions. Why do you keep going in a circle? 1507 only have features which are presents on this version, likewise the 1607. LTSC don't get feature updates like Semi-Annual Channel. That was always the case. Even if Semi-Annual Channel have new version and features, LTSC will stick to the set of features of version it's based on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recruit Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Breaking News: Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC announced in M$ Evaluation Center !!! https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-10-enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronY-Man Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Great News !! The clutter free savior rebirth is nigh !! hallelujah ! hallelujah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atgpud2003 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Just wait until finalized released Windows 10 LTSC 2019 comes out.. Bare with until final comes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neofita Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 we are very close probably EVAL version in @Recruit link is the final one regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erp-ster0 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 assuming there are no more last minute bugs that MS will find in latest 1809 build, it could be RTMed soon trufpal has a very good point that LTSC is the same thing as LTSB, just renamed to something else Quote As you can read here, the EOL of Windows 10 v.1607 ( latest version of Enterprise LTSB ) will expire next month. actually support for other non-LTSB editions of Win10 v1607 (the education & enterprise editions) expire April 2019 as Microsoft extended those EOL dates for another 6 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BimBamSmash Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Never bothered with LTSB after I test drove the 2016 version. I was hoping it had less (or rather "no") data collection and snooping but what my network activity analysis showed me seemed to suggest that it behaves no different than a regular Enterprise installation, once all the metro apps are removed and the assistant is disabled. The absence of semi-annual forced upgrades used to be a bonus but with the recent changes made to the life expectancy of each Enterprise version, I don't see much point to LTSB at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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apgupta Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 which is the latest version of win10 Enterprise LTSB ? Where can I download the ISO file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest maut Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, apgupta said: which is the latest version of win10 Enterprise LTSB ? Where can I download the ISO file? Site: https://the-eye.euSharecode: /public/MSDN/Windows%2010/en_windows_10_enterprise_2016_ltsb_x64_dvd_9059483.iso Thanks to @neofita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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