BoxingChaos Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Microsoft has never had decent antivirus software program, and if you say defender, I will choke you. I always wondered why and I do have my theories but I would like to hear your take/s on the subject. I just did a google and there are no articles on the matter from MS. I did find a small snippet (Microsoft has dabbled in the antivirus business for longer than you might imagine. Back in 1993, MS-DOS 6 included an antivirus licensed from Central Point. That antivirus was later acquired by Symantec and integrated into the Norton Security product line. Over the years we've seen Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows, Microsoft Security Essentials, and Microsoft Windows Defender. Unfortunately, Microsoft's free antivirus tools will not protect your computer from modern malware.) I personally did not know about the central point anti-v. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalju Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, BoxingChaos said: Did you ever wonder why MS OS does not have a good anti-v? Did you ever wonder why MS OS does not have a good anti-v? Why I should, why I should desire things what not possible? Antivirus is like woman - who is always very smart, but it happens always on the next day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbleck Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 U need to define "decent antivirus software program"... your post is too vague. If u'll tell me to conduct my own research, I will choke u. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisPC666 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 because they are not an anti-virus company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiliarou Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 1 hour ago, BoxingChaos said: Microsoft has never had decent antivirus software program, and if you say defender, I will choke you. I always wondered why and I do have my theories but I would like to hear your take/s on the subject. I just did a google and there are no articles on the matter from MS. I did find a small snippet (Microsoft has dabbled in the antivirus business for longer than you might imagine. Back in 1993, MS-DOS 6 included an antivirus licensed from Central Point. That antivirus was later acquired by Symantec and integrated into the Norton Security product line. Over the years we've seen Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows, Microsoft Security Essentials, and Microsoft Windows Defender. Unfortunately, Microsoft's free antivirus tools will not protect your computer from modern malware.) I personally did not know about the central point anti-v. Reviews and studies have proved that defender is not as bad as you think. Your question is related to abusive dominant position and antitrust laws. 52 minutes ago, Kalju said: Did you ever wonder why MS OS does not have a good anti-v? Why I should, why I should desire things what not possible? Antivirus is like woman - who is always very smart, but it happens always on the next day. Dunno if it's a joke but kind of misogynistic comment which is not true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virge Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Microsoft did not want to spend a lot of money on development of a robust AV product, they went with the cheaper option, thus giving us Windows Defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoopenstein Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Maybe they were smart enough to realize it was futile. There was a time when software utility companies were pissed off at M$ for adding too many free programs to the OS - making their programs irrelevant. Apple was beat down to almost non- existence. They must have decided to include only half-arsed bare bones programs {like MS Paint) to avoid anti-competitive/monopoly lawsuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pequi Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I don't think anti-competitive/monopoly lawsuits are a threat to companies that "play along" with the "authorities". Microsoft has been a monopoly for decades. As has Google for the last 5 years or so (98% of all web searches). The real reason it can't have a decent anti adware/datamining/profiling offering is that it would have to flag itself. Alert !!! MSWindows.10.trojan detected. (D) Delete (R) Replace with Linux (I) Ignore and blissfully carry on ... ? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokain Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I think just the same way they won't have a decent video player and image editor. MS Paint is decent and Windows Media Player is as basic as it gets, if you desire more or better there are plenty of other paid products they push you to buy. Plus they don't want to compete with anybody in certain areas. I believe the same way they gave up on Internet Explorer a long time ago. I'm not a big fan of OEM products anyway. If they did succeed in certain software it will be a some proprietary bullshit. Actually MS Office is probably a good example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jogs Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 When you can make so much money with Win and Office then, why bother for things like AV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcs18 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Simple — Microsoft is a publisher of Operating Systems not AntiVirus. Apart from Defender, there are several other built-in programs such as Disk Cleanup, Disk Defragmenter, Edge, File Explorer, Firewall, Internet Explorer, Mail, Notepad, Paint, Photo Viewer, Snipping Tool, Start Menu, Task Manager, Taskbar, Windows Media Player, etc. etc. — all of these, rate from satisfactory to good, but none of them is superlative (just like Defender because Microsoft is just a publisher of Operating Systems.) Out of the few examples cited above, the only one native program that I (and my clients) use is the Firewall — however, better 3rd party firewalls are also available. Some folks (like me) settle for nothing but the very best — the important factor here is the human element who should be savvy enough to be able to completely uninstall/disable each and every such native Windows program over which a 3rd party program has been preferred and installed. Personally, would like Microsoft to just stop wasting their time and effort, writing and bundling all these preinstalled programs with their Operating Systems (mostly, as a hardcode) — believe they'd themselves perform better on the sales chart if they concentrated solely on the OS and the systems would run as if on steroids injected right into their veins. Spoiler Microsoft is a publisher of Operating Systems not AntiVirus and/or other paraphernalia — WTF are you peeping into this spoiler for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoopenstein Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 There was a time when M$ was ruthless and wanted it all. If you're too young to remember, do a search for Microsoft windows 95 monopoly. It got to the point where the gov'mnt wanted to bust up M$ just like they did Ma Bell. There was the stink about bundling IE with Winblows without a way of uninstalling it. They wanted to destroy Netscape Navigator. I'm pretty sure they decided to only bundle lame-ass apps with their OS to stay out of the gov'mnt's gun-sights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIKTOR PAVEL Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Microsoft is operating systems maker it is provide platform for other developpers to develop programs for his OS you think other companies support microsoft if this microsoft make "good-every-thing" and not give them opportunity to eat part of global cake? if microsoft make every thing good it is will kill many other companies and it is will have all companies like ennemies not like partners this is marketshare compromises and microsoft try have supporters and partners not ennemies - and it is work! : microsoft make platform - other companies make programs for it and all is happy!!! other aspect of problem is microsoft make OS for millions users - microsoft is know perfectly that this millions not all of them is computer geeks they implement only basic programs to start out of the box - if you is more advanced user just use alternatives for any program you want last thing is even microsoft make good built-in programs users always find way to be unhappy and advanced users always want use other powerful 3rd party programs you can never please millions - only try and accept balance and compromises main goal for microsoft is you use his OS - use notepad or notepad++ is not important for him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIKTOR PAVEL Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, 0bin said: Was important for NSA hehe! this other subject! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sefton22 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 As previously mentioned, their market share would be scrutinized like N versions of the OS doesn't include WMP. MS has its finger in a lot of pies already (OS', consoles, mobiles, software, hardware etc) Quote Back in 2004, the European Commission fined Microsoft a record €497m under an antitrust ruling. The Commission concluded that with a near-monopoly in the operating system market, Microsoft's bundling of Windows Media Player within Windows was anti-competitive. Microsoft was forced to unbundle the software and offer European consumers and manufacturers a version of Windows without it. Microsoft was allowed to keep selling Windows with a media player, under the condition that it at least offer a version without. Imagine having another app constantly nagging you to UPGRADE or BUY NOW etc, deciding to install a program is your choice, but having it forced on you isn't. i can't see MS giving away something for free unless its in their best interests....there are plenty of FREE AV programs out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pc71520 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 17 hours ago, 0bin said: I want Pinball back Count me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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