Does Windows 10 RS2 Need an AV? - SOLVED

[eurotrash]

Hi everyone, 

I just wanted to ask, does Win 10 RS2 need an AV or is Windows Defender enough? In the Creators Update they did a lot of enhancements to Windows Defender, and I was wondering if it is up to par with free and commercial AV's? (e.g. AVG, Avast, Bitdefender, Kaspersky, etc)

 

Thanks in advance everyone! 

[Kalju]

There is the best possible already included.

[Pete 12]

Its always smart for having an extra AV-scanner installed , for " second opinion "  , as long as they dont " bite" each other................

[Sylence]

If you'd asked that question from a sellout they would definitely tell you to 100% use third party AV, OSS developers would probably say to use the built in AV.

but I'm gonna tell you why it's better to use the Windows Defender. 

 

Technically it's better to use it instead of third party AVs for many reasons. third party AVs cause security holes inside your system, they disable security features of web browsers, don't let them work as they should to protect you, normally a browser runs websites in a sandbox but third party AV disables that, also it adds its own certificate and scans websites which can be alone a security hole,read about heart bleed malware.

 

using Windows Defender is safer because it is part of the kernel and core of the OS, and there is no API to bridge it so it can't be abused in case it has a memleak. now memleaks are real problem in every software, but in a software as important as an AV, it is a HUGE problem. malwares or malicious websites can use the memory leaks of the AV and then take control of it And -with the permissions and access- that you give to a third party AV upon Installation, the malware will have the same access, it can use the AV to destroy your system, leak data etc. but a malware can't do this to an AV which is part of the operation system's kernel, like Windows Defender. 

 

You might say ah alright but what about the poor detection rate of the Windows Defender comparing to other AVs. then I should tell you this fact, they are shit. 

Why? the samples they use are old, and the tests are mostly paid for AV companies to make their product be on top, it's so naive to believe those shiny comparison charts. I can make a malware that Kaspersky won't be able to detect it, and when it tries to scan it, it runs the code and executes it and that's when the malware takes control. 

 

another real life example, you can make a malware and use a program which is labeled as legit and trusted in the AV's database to run the code and execute it, you will have full access to the system and your paid AV can't so shit bcz all the tests were made by old age samples. now Windows Defender can't be abused like this because as I said you can't bridge to its API.  

 

One this is for sure, never use more than 1 antivirus which has REALTIME protection. don't believe if others say use more than one AV it won't hurt, it's because they haven't got infected, yet.

 

Tried to explain as simple as possible, hope that helps.

[eurotrash]

Thanks everyone for replying. Guess I'll use windows defender. One good point about it, it is the lightest AV that I have found, not even ESET can match it. Thanks again for replying!

[hamede]

@saeed_dc

+ million

 

1 hour ago, eurotrash said:

Thanks everyone for replying. Guess I'll use windows defender. One good point about it, it is the lightest AV that I have found, not even ESET can match it. Thanks again for replying!

 

Hi, 

 

Do you know I decided to use WD only after RD2 update + HitmanPro Alert (paid) + VoodooShield (free) ( Rial time)

On demoed scan I use : (Zemana - hard protect - Metadefender Client Cloud)

 

About 10 days now, every thing is perfect. I tested many malware (malware-vault-samples) WD do perfect like paid security suit. But WD not light as I think It use about : 70 MB ram (normal) jump to about 130 MB during scan and clean, + 99% hard-disk usage .  (Avast is the lower )

 

Even I have a legal keys for all Paid security suit. I will give a try for longer time,

 

 

[Sylence]

53 minutes ago, hamede said:

@saeed_dc

+ million

 

 

Hi, 

 

Do you know I decided to use WD only after RD2 update + HitmanPro Alert (paid) + VoodooShield (free) ( Rial time)

On demoed scan I use : (Zemana - hard protect - Metadefender Client Cloud)

 

About 10 days now, every thing is perfect. I tested many malware (malware-vault-samples) WD do perfect like paid security suit. But WD not light as I think It use about : 70 MB ram (normal) jump to about 130 MB during scan and clean, + 99% hard-disk usage .  (Avast is the lower )

 

Even I have a legal keys for all Paid security suit. I will give a try for longer time,

 

 

 

Heya,

On demand full system scan is good with updated database. but more than 1 realtime protection isn't. though never heard of Voodoo AV before. and those 3rd party AVs all have memleaks inside their codes which can be abused. you know, Microsoft Window and Linux got them too, even gaming consoles, I think probably a PS4 will eventually crash after running for few months as its memory will fill up.

[hamede]

2 hours ago, saeed_dc said:

 

Heya,

On demand full system scan is good with updated database. but more than 1 realtime protection isn't. though never heard of Voodoo AV before. and those 3rd party AVs all have memleaks inside their codes which can be abused. you know, Microsoft Window and Linux got them too, even gaming consoles, I think probably a PS4 will eventually crash after running for few months as its memory will fill up.

WoW, You do not know what is Voodoo !  https://voodooshield.com/

 

There is no 3 AVs :

Windows Defender : mealtime AV

Voodooshield : Anti exe. whit-listing application. (25 MB ram - no database update, no scan )

HitmanProAlert: Anti exploit (web and application protection for zero-day malware ) ( 12 MB ram - no update - cloud scan only ).

 

My basic protection for years was : KIS + Voodooshield + Hitman

 

Keep in mind that Voodooshield need some experience person to deal with it. https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/voodooshield.313706/ 

 

 

 

[hannubys]

WD is enough as antivirus. I use also malwarebytes.

But the best protection available is you as human

[hamede]

Let us say, 

 

- The basic rule is, use what you wish ANY mealtime AV - and support your protection with any 2ed demand scan.

- Do not forget secure your browser (important) with any tool as you like (Zero-day malware) .

- If you want, use any anti exe. to lock-down your PC. (Appguared - VoodooShield ........)