Catherine Austin Fitts: Purpose of Flu Vaccine is Depopulation

[Ambrocious]

I believe one of the goals of the swine flu vaccine is depopulation. Perhaps it is the goal of a swine flu epidemic as well, whether bio-warfare or hype around a flu season.

These days, I keep remembering my sense of urgency leaving the Bush Administration in 1991. We had to do something to turn around the economy and gather real assets behind retirement plans and the social safety net. If not, Americans could find themselves deeply out on a limb. I felt my family and friends were in danger. They did not share my concern. They had a deep faith in the system.

As my efforts to find ways of reengineering government investment in communities failed to win political support, Washington and Wall Street moved forward with a debt bubble and globalization that was horrifying in its implications for humanity.

Overwhelmed by what was happening, I estimated the end result. My simple calculations guessed that we were going to achieve economic sustainability on Earth by depopulating down to a population of approximately 500 million people from our then current global population of 6 billion. I was a portfolio strategist used to looking at numbers from a very high level. Those around me could not fathom how all the different threads I was integrating could lead to such a conclusion. To me, we had to have radical change in how we governed resources or depopulate. It was a mathematical result.

A year later, in 1999, a very capable investment and portfolio strategist asked me if he could come have a private lunch with me in Washington. We sat in a posh restaurant across from the Capitol. He said quietly that he had calculated out where the derivatives and debt bubble combined with globalization were going. The only logical conclusion he could reach was that significant depopulation was going to occur. He said his estimates led to an approximate population of 500 million. I said very quietly, “that’s my estimate too.” I will never forget the look of sadness that crossed his face. I was amazed to find someone else who understood.

SOURCE: InfoWars.com

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[shought]

I don't know anything about this person nor do I know a lot about the American economy but I do sense a certain 'disbelief'(within myself) when I'm reading this post.

It might be partially true, it might not be. There's one thing you can be sure off: it's not totally true(or not the whole truth), because it's politics.

ps I hate politics, I mean, the sucky 'form' of politics we're operating all over the world(the democratic countries, that is, not saying the others are doing better).

[Ambrocious]

Your absolutely correct about how most things in politics are false. In order that the truth get out and believed it needs to be spread just as much as the lies before ANY impact will be made. Seek the truth and you'll be in the right direction.

[shought]

In order that the truth get out and believed it needs to be spread just as much as the lies before ANY impact will be made.

You're talking about the fact that she just came forward with this now, after everything got screwed up whilst for it to be 'believable' she should've came forward back then. Anyhow politics sucks, many people told me that I'd be a great politician, but I despise them, as they are now.

I've also lost faith in democracy, as it is now, it's just not working. People are not equal and that's what the whole system is based on. I'm not equal to you, you're not equal to me, nobody is equal to anybody else... We're all different and that's what drives democracy, a lot of, not equal, opinions. I know the actual phrase is 'equal in right', which I do believe we all are. Laws should apply to everyone, but people who aren't well informed about who they are actually voting on, or even worse people who just vote for: he seems like a nice guy, or: that guy says we should fight global warming, I like that!(or anything of the like, it's obvious we all want to solve these things, I couldn't care less about that, it's the HOW that matters).

I know I'm going to offend a lot of people by this, but it's just my opinion: in my country people are allowed to vote from their 18th, why don't people who are 1, 5, 9, 13 or 17 get a vote? Because they aren't considered to be well educated, informed or experienced to actually have a vote. I know people my age, hell, even younger, I bet there's people who are 13 who could make a more meaningful vote than some 30 year old guy. It's bullshit to take age as a general requirement(of course people who are 1 shouldn't get a vote, but they automatically shouldn't by some kind of system(like a test)), it would be far more logic to require everyone who would like to vote to make a test. Just gather all political agendas and make some, independent, test which tests your knowledge of their agendas. If you fail, you're not allowed to vote, if you pass you get your vote.

I and everyone else should realize that there's no way in hell this is ever going to change... It's because democracy has something like 'Self-defense' in ESET, only this is something you can't disable. Democracy will never allow democracy to change.

[DKT27]

You can really be a good politician shought. ANW it is the same all over the world. In here you will see the dirtiest politics ever. Except from our PM, he is a great man.

[shought]

You can really be a good politician shought. ANW it is the same all over the world. In here you will see the dirtiest politics ever. Except from our PM, he is a great man.

Probably, anyone could, just learn how to lie and nowadays that's something basic all kids learn from their parents, at school or at work... Become a politician to-do list: Learn how to lie. Read some stuff about rhetorics and follow some courses. Gather some funds and start a campaign. Make some statements which you'll never be able to make true. Boom, there you go, you're PM.

How do you know your PM is a great man? Have you met him? Really he might be the biggest dirtbag that ever lived on this planet, but he's could be just not showing it for the sake of his image...

[DKT27]

Sorry I don't except your thought's he is really in real a great man. I know what you are saying but not in this case. My father gets all the inside from the community that contains right hands of many of the politicians. Search for Manmohan Singh(our PM) to see what he is. When he had gone to US some time a go when bush was the presi. bus insisted him to sit near him because of his calmness and coolness.

ANW you know everything a politician should do. Why not join it and make it better?

[Bizarre™]

I know I'm going to offend a lot of people by this, but it's just my opinion: in my country people are allowed to vote from their 18th, why don't people who are 1, 5, 9, 13 or 17 get a vote? Because they aren't considered to be well educated, informed or experienced to actually have a vote. I know people my age, hell, even younger, I bet there's people who are 13 who could make a more meaningful vote than some 30 year old guy. It's bullshit to take age as a general requirement(of course people who are 1 shouldn't get a vote, but they automatically shouldn't by some kind of system(like a test)), it would be far more logic to require everyone who would like to vote to make a test. Just gather all political agendas and make some, independent, test which tests your knowledge of their agendas. If you fail, you're not allowed to vote, if you pass you get your vote.

Only a select few ^_^

I and everyone else should realize that there's no way in hell this is ever going to change... It's because democracy has something like 'Self-defense' in ESET, only this is something you can't disable. Democracy will never allow democracy to change.

It's not impossible. If a constituent assembly is held, it will eventually lead to a either a constitutional amendment, or a charter change.

[shought]

I know I'm going to offend a lot of people by this, but it's just my opinion: in my country people are allowed to vote from their 18th, why don't people who are 1, 5, 9, 13 or 17 get a vote? Because they aren't considered to be well educated, informed or experienced to actually have a vote. I know people my age, hell, even younger, I bet there's people who are 13 who could make a more meaningful vote than some 30 year old guy. It's bullshit to take age as a general requirement(of course people who are 1 shouldn't get a vote, but they automatically shouldn't by some kind of system(like a test)), it would be far more logic to require everyone who would like to vote to make a test. Just gather all political agendas and make some, independent, test which tests your knowledge of their agendas. If you fail, you're not allowed to vote, if you pass you get your vote.

Only a select few ^_^

True, I knew someone was going to say that, but now we'll take the whole group of people from 0-17, then it becomes a lot more. Now let's take the average 17 year old student and see how many people from 30 year old make a less meaningful vote than they would have. The group of people who got a vote, but used it without actually giving it a meaning grows. The more people in this group the more the outcome of an election is based on looks, charisma and just plain randomness... I believe this group of people who make a pretty much meaningless vote has grown over the past century and it will continue to do so for some time. The system, as is, is incompetent, to say the least.

I and everyone else should realize that there's no way in hell this is ever going to change... It's because democracy has something like 'Self-defense' in ESET, only this is something you can't disable. Democracy will never allow democracy to change.

It's not impossible. If a constituent assembly is held, it will eventually lead to a either a constitutional amendment, or a charter change.

Pretty much anything is possible, I'll agree with you on that. But people, in general, are not fond of change, they can handle a change to the road they're living on but when you're actually suggesting a change to the whole democratic system you'll never get a majority(I believe slightly more is required) of people to vote for that, because you might be able to get 30% of the people with you(with a lot of hard word and campaigning, in the current despicable political word) another 30% will be against you and there will be 40% of people who doubt, because people, in general, are not fond of change they'll rather vote against you than for you which could mean that 30% out of those unsure people will vote against you and 10% will be with you. Case closed, you're screwed :D Of course the percentages are all bullshit and this is even a 'best case' scenario if you ask me :P

[Bizarre™]

True, I knew someone was going to say that, but now we'll take the whole group of people from 0-17, then it becomes a lot more. Now let's take the average 17 year old student and see how many people from 30 year old make a less meaningful vote than they would have. The group of people who got a vote, but used it without actually giving it a meaning grows. The more people in this group the more the outcome of an election is based on looks, charisma and just plain randomness... I believe this group of people who make a pretty much meaningless vote has grown over the past century and it will continue to do so for some time. The system, as is, is incompetent, to say the least.

I agree with the idea... some criteria were met, but still not feasible :(

1. Specific

- determine who are capable of voting.

2. Measurable

- determine if they're knowledgeable and mature enough.

3. Attainable

- determine if attitudes, abilities, skills, and financial capacity are adequate.

4. Realistic

- determine if both parties are willing and believes the task can be accomplished.

5. Time Bound

- determine if the task can be accomplished within a reasonable time-frame.

Pretty much anything is possible, I'll agree with you on that. But people, in general, are not fond of change, they can handle a change to the road they're living on but when you're actually suggesting a change to the whole democratic system you'll never get a majority(I believe slightly more is required) of people to vote for that, because you might be able to get 30% of the people with you(with a lot of hard word and campaigning, in the current despicable political word) another 30% will be against you and there will be 40% of people who doubt, because people, in general, are not fond of change they'll rather vote against you than for you which could mean that 30% out of those unsure people will vote against you and 10% will be with you. Case closed, you're screwed :D Of course the percentages are all bullshit and this is even a 'best case' scenario if you ask me :P

I would've agreed with you if you said 100% would be against me, since in reality, people are afraid of change :bag:

I wish many people were like you... not afraid to face change ;)

[DKT27]

Well I agree with you both. History has proved that a revolution takes years to happen. And it's biggest cause is the writers that awaken the people to start it. So keep on writing your thoughts. One day many point mentioned here would be solved.:)

[demonon]

I'm against democracy in a sense that it is useless.

For example:

In the Netherlands we vote for a politician belonging to a certain party.

This party get's anywhere from 1 to the maximum of 150 chairs.

The biggest party has to make an coalition with a few parties to have a majority, so over 75 chairs.

Then the queen appoints the ministers, and the ministers just serve the queen.

In reality the government hasn't done anything in the past centuries, and the people had to fight very hard to get their right.

I see the form of governing in our country nothing more then some sort of monarchy.

Everybody who votes, just bows for the current system.

In the meanwhile children get taught in school how superior our democracy really is and that without democracy there is no freedom.

People need to be aware of their nature and whether we need an government like we have now.

Then, people can stand up again and make an difference.

And I think the people can make an difference, because every good thing is done by the people.

Frankly, I think government is a evil we need to conquer. People don't start wars, governments do, the authorities do.

[shought]

Democracy is just totally wrong.

Because of democracy politicians are taught how to be elected, not how to rule a country. Imagine what would happen if they would spend all the time they spend on campaigning right now on figuring out how to solve various issues in a country. I mean that practically means they get double the time to do the same thing which should cause any (motivated) person to do the job better.

[Bizarre™]

Democracy is just totally wrong.

----- From Wikipedia -----

Democracy is a principle that the control of authority comes from public, and ruler and non-ruler are the same.

In political theory, democracy describes a small number of related forms of government and also a political philosophy. Even though there is no specific, universally accepted definition of 'democracy', there are two principles that any definition of democracy includes. The first principle is that all citizens, not invested with the power to govern, have equal access to power and the second that all citizens enjoy legitimized freedoms and liberties.

----- End /

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Democracy is perfect... if used appropriately :bag:

It's the system which is wrong.

They twist / bend the definition of democracy.

[Rock Lee]

Not sure why I didn't see this thread earlier. Anyway I'll go through this systematically, starting with Amrbocious & so on and so forth.

1 - Ambrocious

How many times must I ask you to provide adequate proof of depopulation? And why is it that at every single turn that the government makes you're there to twist it? Nevermind, correct that. Infowars is. Why didn't you just say that the swine flu was introduced to Americans for the simple fact of "depopulation"? Rhetorical questions of course, I don't think you'd be able to answer them anyway. Our government sets up these guidelines for the people who needed the most for a reason. If that's not the case then why haven't people been dying off in the thousands yet? You can say that they're keeping it under wraps. I highly doubt that tens of thousands of people dying is a secret anyone will be able to keep a secret. That is unless you try to introduce your Obama / Hitler angle you did earlier. Wait a minute...oh yeah I think I proved every single statement in that argument wrong. You backed off of your Obama attacking & for good reason. I'm not sure how many time's I'd be able to tell you how & why things are wrong without me getting angrier and angrier every time I did it. Anyway, back to the matter at hand. I'd appreciate it if you'd talk through your own mouth & stop posting these articles from infowars. I'd very much like to see how you put the stories from your perspective. Even though they may be the same, I'd still like for you to use your own words. Other people can talk for you for only so long.

2 - Shought (the first post)

Trust me it's false. These people scream conspiracy every chance they get. I can see we'll get into a long debate about politics. I've been waiting on something we would disagree on. This should be fun :)

3 - Ambrocious (second post)

I've seen the light at the end of the tunnel. For me it's the reality I've known all along. For you it's a train. I suggest you move off of the tracks...

4 - Shought (second post)

Maybe that's how your government is over there. Ours isn't that way anymore. At least it's getting to the point that things are changing. I agree that people are unequal, but I don't think that's solely the government's fault. It's human nature to divide. Is that right? Nah it isn't. But that's how it's been from the Bible days up to now. That's how I feel it will continue to be. It's not that people are afraid of change. It's the fact that people are too ignorant/arrogant to allow it.

I disagree again on this, somewhat. I think that the majority of teenagers don't worry themselves with politics as much as we do. It's not as if there are a select few that is, but for the most part people our age are more worried about other things than politics. To add more to that, the younger you go the less that politics directly affect them. Let's face it, a tax hike would impact a 23 year old a hell of a lot more than it would a 12 year old. That's speaking individual wise of course. I understand that things related to the economy impact families as a whole, I was only using that to illustrate my point.

5 - Shought (third post)

I disagree with this again. I realize that the majority of politicians are liars but that doesn't make all of them lies. You're setting a stereotype that's typically true but there are exceptions. Let's face it, everyone lies at some point. No matter who you are, where you're from, how old you are (relatively of course) you've lied before. There has been for the past 8 years here over in the US nothing but liars in the government. Now, there's a new bunch. With of course some of them lying but some of them also setting legitimate goals for the good of the country.

6 - Middle portion, Biz practically held it down for me :)

7 - Demonon

So how do we conquer an evil we created? I've never heard someone talk of it like that but I'm open to new possibilities. But there's a snag with it. No government equals no guidelines. No matter how fxcked up they may seem, they're there for the reason who ever runs your country put them there. Take away the guidelines & you'll get this: The people with money yield the control of the poor ones. Eventually, either a dictatorship or a monarchy is set up. This is coming from my realistic eyes however. I know that some people like to look at the world from idealistic ones but that's not the mindset I gave myself. I like to look at the world and how it is, not how it would or should be.

8 - Shought / Biz

Well...read what Biz said sought. ; That's why I believe that you can't call if democracy Biz :P

[Bizarre™]

8 - Shought / Biz

Well...read what Biz said sought. ; That's why I believe that you can't call if democracy Biz :P

Indeed :bag:

I call it more of a cancer in stage 3 progressing through stage 4.

[LeetPirate]

I'm against democracy in a sense that it is useless.

Frankly, I think government is a evil we need to conquer. People don't start wars, governments do, the authorities do.

Oh how right you are my friend, how right you are! Democracy is just a lie, it's not any different from fascism or dictatorship. Democracy is a mere illusion that gives the people the false belief that they have some sort of governing power when in reality we don't. A perfect example is my own country, quite frankly my PM is a jackass, and it is my divine right as a citizen of a democratic country to be able to say that in public, hehe I know federal employees and army boys don't have real freedom even though they preach it day and night.

Anyway back to why my PM is a vision-less moron. The entire country protests about him allowing an aluminium smelter plant to be set up here yet they magically get approval from the environmental authority the leader of which cannot be found in the country at the moment, probably off somewhere spending his bribe money. The worst part of all is that they are selling the plant our natural gas at a price almost free while the citizens have to experience increased prices for fuel and electricity so the small person pays for the large corporation while they waste out our natural reserves.

The truth is my country has more oil and gas riches than dubai and saudi arabia but because it is being run by an immaculate set of idiots, only the rich gets richer and the poor remains poor. But they all get together and bad talk Cuba and communism when in reality shared wealth does not sound so bad, but democracy is a visa for greed you see. If you Googled my country the only thing we have achieved is the highest number of google searches for "free porn" on the internet. LOL. There is so much money here but it keeps getting wasted and we are still a 3rd world country when instead we could be competing with places like dubai. The only good thing about this 3rd world country is the justice system is an epic failure so everyone is free to download anything they want and nobody could get arrested for piracy.

Yes this post sounds like a rant, but it's all true.

2 - Shought (the first post)

Trust me it's false. These people scream conspiracy every chance they get. I can see we'll get into a long debate about politics. I've been waiting on something we would disagree on. This should be fun smile.gif

4 - Shought (second post)

I disagree again on this, somewhat. I think that the majority of teenagers don't worry themselves with politics as much as we do. It's not as if there are a select few that is, but for the most part people our age are more worried about other things than politics. To add more to that, the younger you go the less that politics directly affect them. Let's face it, a tax hike would impact a 23 year old a hell of a lot more than it would a 12 year old. That's speaking individual wise of course. I understand that things related to the economy impact families as a whole, I was only using that to illustrate my point.

Hey Rock Lee :D we meet again I hope you are ready for me. :bruce: :D

The reason people scream conspiracy, especially when it comes to USA is because the federal government rules over its people by instilling fear of false threats, they prey on the insecurities of people, which is pretty sadistic if you asked me. It all started when the oh so smart Mr Bush yapped his mouth about a second plane crashing into a tower that OMG didn't occur till 15 mins later. So either the US gov't owns a time machine or formulated a conspiracy to rule by fear. You see they take advantage of human nature of people, you trick them into thinking there is some false huge threat out there and they immediately and naturally turn to the gov't to protect them.

All of a sudden MSNBC and others never played actually self incriminating footage again because it was "too painful for Americans" rite rite, and SAW 4 isn't?

When you have tv shows on FOX networks like 24 etc making you think there are "sleeper cells" and other nonsense all over the place what else you expect. Thanks to idiotic shows like that the rednecks want to investigate every brown skinned person trying to make an honest living.

And please don't even get me started on that paid hollywood actor / scapegoat called "bin laden". How stupid do they think we are to believe that one of the largest super power country in the world cannot locate 1 man on this planet? They really expect us to think that they are that incompetent? come on now, if they could find saddam then bin laden is a walk in the park. Seriously now what real terrorist has time to release photo shoots and video clips? You think this is how criminals work in real life or this is just what is portrayed on TV shows? If this man called bin laden was even a real person then the moment he sends his video releases the military could track his ass with a satellite and find the point of origin. Not to mention the fact that somehow this bin laden guy seems to have certain tv networks on his friends list because he sends them his videos first.

I just have one thing to say that PWNS all, and I call it the PATRIOT act. People should read it and see that when the American gov't invades other countries like bullies claiming to be liberating the people the real question is do Americans really have freedom? They preach it day and night and the media feeds it to them but it's just brainwashing. I know because I have friends in the navy and they are scared to even say a bad word about the gov't even in private yet they claim to have freedom and it gives them the right to invade where ever they want and "liberate" whoever they want. Well I have news for all the army boys, Palestine has been waiting for American liberation for hundreds of years now, where is it? Are the army boys afraid of the Mossad? Where I live we don't have to listen to the American propaganda version of "World News", we have the BBC and the real stories.

Ah yes and lastly the reason most teenagers don't care about politics is because honestly the majority of American teens especially are content with landing a job in a fast food joint as their life goals.

[shought]

@Bizarre

Nah, the system itself, is wrong. The appliance might be wrong as well, but the system is wrong. I'll explain later.

@Rock Lee

Haven't got time for reading back to which posts you're exactly replying and all, if I forget to reply within 3 days please send me a PM :rolleyes: :P (I'm serious, I've got to work a lot so don't have time...)

[Bizarre™]

@Bizarre

Nah, the system itself, is wrong. The appliance might be wrong as well, but the system is wrong. I'll explain later.

:huh: Did you even read my post?

It's the system which is wrong.

They twist / bend the definition of democracy.

[DKT27]

In one sense "democracy" is useless, as in many cases like this - politicians target the point many times during the voting.

But on the other side atleast we don't have a king ruling on our heads.

[demonon]

Here is a list of governments set up by wikipedia: list of governments

I consider myself an anarchist, a social-libertarian to be specific.

I also recommend this site, an anarchist faq

Currently I can't discuss this matter anymore, however I will be online in like 4-5 hours.

[shought]

@Bizarre

Nah, the system itself, is wrong. The appliance might be wrong as well, but the system is wrong. I'll explain later.

:huh: Did you even read my post?

It's the system which is wrong.

They twist / bend the definition of democracy.

Yes but 'democracy' IS the system. You're referring to the system as 'the people who are using it'(the rich guys who decide everything and bla bla bla), but I don't mean that. I really mean that the system, democracy, as a system, is totally wrong ;)

[Rock Lee]

Hey Rock Lee :D we meet again I hope you are ready for me. :bruce: :D

The reason people scream conspiracy, especially when it comes to USA is because the federal government rules over its people by instilling fear of false threats, they prey on the insecurities of people, which is pretty sadistic if you asked me. It all started when the oh so smart Mr Bush yapped his mouth about a second plane crashing into a tower that OMG didn't occur till 15 mins later. So either the US gov't owns a time machine or formulated a conspiracy to rule by fear. You see they take advantage of human nature of people, you trick them into thinking there is some false huge threat out there and they immediately and naturally turn to the gov't to protect them.

All of a sudden MSNBC and others never played actually self incriminating footage again because it was "too painful for Americans" rite rite, and SAW 4 isn't?

Hey Leet, yup I've been waiting for this moment also. I hope you're ready :showoff2: ; Anyway, You're talking about one incident that I agree with you on. So I won't be disagreeing with it for the most part. However, you're bringing up the most recent incident. I'll remind you who got the US involved in the Middle East and all of the 'Stans over there: GHW Bush, aka Bush senior. He got this started in the 80s, which went through the 90s with Clinton and Desert Storm. Why they didn't end it there I'm not sure. But they don't scream conspiracy simply because of 9-11. They do it to anything they possibly can. I'm not sure if you've read the other thread, but they called a cereal, yes a cereal a threat to Americans. Cheerios to be exact. I laughed so hard when I read that I could barely post a reply. These guys don't have anything better to do than sit around and wait for the government to slip up so they can prey on it. And when the government doesn't, they make up things like "depopulation through vaccines". All I can do is shake my head at them, they'll never learn until the truth slaps them in the face...

When you have tv shows on FOX networks like 24 etc making you think there are "sleeper cells" and other nonsense all over the place what else you expect. Thanks to idiotic shows like that the rednecks want to investigate every brown skinned person trying to make an honest living.

Now you're pointing the finger where it shouldn't be pointed. This is like blaming the video game Grand Theft Auto for introducing crime into suburbs like they tried to do. You can't blame a TV show for controlling some one's psyche. If they're that easy to manipulate chances are they're either very young or far too impressionable for their age. I don't like it when people blame things that shouldn't be. Dirty hands can't point clean fingers is what I say...

And please don't even get me started on that paid hollywood actor / scapegoat called "bin laden". How stupid do they think we are to believe that one of the largest super power country in the world cannot locate 1 man on this planet? They really expect us to think that they are that incompetent? come on now, if they could find Saddam then bin laden is a walk in the park. Seriously now what real terrorist has time to release photo shoots and video clips? You think this is how criminals work in real life or this is just what is portrayed on TV shows? If this man called bin laden was even a real person then the moment he sends his video releases the military could track his ass with a satellite and find the point of origin. Not to mention the fact that somehow this bin laden guy seems to have certain tv networks on his friends list because he sends them his videos first.

I agree with this also. They found Saddam without much problem. Bush set this story up to give us another excuse on why we should stay there. Bullshxt as you can clearly see. But he's out of office & according to our incumbent president, we should be completely out of Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan by fall of 2010.

I just have one thing to say that PWNS all, and I call it the PATRIOT act. People should read it and see that when the American gov't invades other countries like bullies claiming to be liberating the people the real question is do Americans really have freedom? They preach it day and night and the media feeds it to them but it's just brainwashing. I know because I have friends in the navy and they are scared to even say a bad word about the gov't even in private yet they claim to have freedom and it gives them the right to invade where ever they want and "liberate" whoever they want. Well I have news for all the army boys, Palestine has been waiting for American liberation for hundreds of years now, where is it? Are the army boys afraid of the Mossad? Where I live we don't have to listen to the American propaganda version of "World News", we have the BBC and the real stories.

So we're getting brainwashed and I guess I also I am. Strange, this entire debate just too a huge turn. I think you agree with Amrbocious, I wish you would have come forward sooner. We could've settled this a long time ago. Brainwashes isn't what's happening to us. If it was, I wouldn't have an open mind or the presence of mind that I do. If you ask me, the brainwashed one is you. For whatever reason you decide to believe most of the bs that people feed you about the US. While some of it is true, you can't hold the entire country accountable for something that our government did themselves. I do believe Bush cheated to get his second term in office what with the Florida miscount. I do believe the main reason we stayed in the Middle East is because of oil. Bush isn't a part of the government anymore so a positive change has already happened. I won't even touch the Palestine deal. You haven't been paying attention as closely as you should have. So everything we see and hear is American propaganda. This debate just got very interesting...

Ah yes and lastly the reason most teenagers don't care about politics is because honestly the majority of American teens especially are content with landing a job in a fast food joint as their life goals.

You crossed a line here. I'll disregard the last statement...

[LeetPirate]

I just have one thing to say that PWNS all, and I call it the PATRIOT act. People should read it and see that when the American gov't invades other countries like bullies claiming to be liberating the people the real question is do Americans really have freedom? They preach it day and night and the media feeds it to them but it's just brainwashing. I know because I have friends in the navy and they are scared to even say a bad word about the gov't even in private yet they claim to have freedom and it gives them the right to invade where ever they want and "liberate" whoever they want. Well I have news for all the army boys, Palestine has been waiting for American liberation for hundreds of years now, where is it? Are the army boys afraid of the Mossad? Where I live we don't have to listen to the American propaganda version of "World News", we have the BBC and the real stories.

Brainwashes isn't what's happening to us. If it was, I wouldn't have an open mind or the presence of mind that I do. If you ask me, the brainwashed one is you. For whatever reason you decide to believe most of the bs that people feed you about the US. While some of it is true, you can't hold the entire country accountable for something that our government did themselves. I won't even touch the Palestine deal. You haven't been paying attention as closely as you should have. So everything we see and hear is American propaganda. This debate just got very interesting...

Just so you know, I don't just decide to believe whatever bs people say about the US. I am speaking from experience, I really do know people from the US military forces on a friendly basis and I do know people first hand in US airport security so when I tell you they aren't free to whisper a bad word about the gov't I didn't make that up. They truly are paranoid and I try to convince them all the time that they don't know for sure anyone is listening, lol but I can't get them to say a single bad thing, not across telephone chat or internet chat. Believe me I never believed this nonsense either until I heard it from trust worthy sources. I don't hold the entire country accountable, it's the gov't I'm pointing fingers at here. Normal Americans are fine, I visit there all the time, Disney Land FTW and Seaworld :D

And believe me I have seen the way American networks present news, for hurricane katrina when the white guy was stealing food they said he was trying to find food to feed his family and stuff; the exact same situation where a black guy was stealing food they headlined that he was "looting". I mean come on, different strokes for different folks? It was 2 people in the exact situation surrounded by flood water but the black guy is portrayed as a criminal. All I know is that I have been hearing about Palestine suffering from since I was born, and according the to American news, it's ALWAYS a case of the Palestine militants started it so Israel has a right to strike back 10 times harder. Sadly with that kind of thinking I realised it will never end. Luckily I have a choice so I choose to watch the BBC and Deutsche Welle for a more truthful news report. As far as I can tell, according to Pat Condell, Israel won't stop until they destroy Palestine completely and rebuild some temple where a messiah will come to show Hitler how it should have been done.

You might be right, I stopped paying attention to that entire ordeal years now, I stopped applying logic to illogical people, Israel continues to disregard the UN and so did the US so American gov't lawlessness confirmed. Which is why I respect men like Chavez, Castro, and Kim Jong, all men with large balls of steel.

[Rock Lee]

Just so you know, I don't just decide to believe whatever bs people say about the US. I am speaking from experience, I really do know people from the US military forces on a friendly basis and I do know people first hand in US airport security so when I tell you they aren't free to whisper a bad word about the gov't I didn't make that up. They truly are paranoid and I try to convince them all the time that they don't know for sure anyone is listening, lol but I can't get them to say a single bad thing, not across telephone chat or internet chat. Believe me I never believed this nonsense either until I heard it from trust worthy sources. I don't hold the entire country accountable, it's the gov't I'm pointing fingers at here. Normal Americans are fine, I visit there all the time, Disney Land FTW and Seaworld :D

I won't believe that until I see it with my own eyes. According to you the chances are that I never will unless I get into the military myself. Oh well, I have no intention of doing so. ; Disney land :lmao: wow.

And believe me I have seen the way American networks present news, for hurricane katrina when the white guy was stealing food they said he was trying to find food to feed his family and stuff; the exact same situation where a black guy was stealing food they headlined that he was "looting". I mean come on, different strokes for different folks? It was 2 people in the exact situation surrounded by flood water but the black guy is portrayed as a criminal. All I know is that I have been hearing about Palestine suffering from since I was born, and according the to American news, it's ALWAYS a case of the Palestine militants started it so Israel has a right to strike back 10 times harder. Sadly with that kind of thinking I realised it will never end. Luckily I have a choice so I choose to watch the BBC and Deutsche Welle for a more truthful news report. As far as I can tell, according to Pat Condell, Israel won't stop until they destroy Palestine completely and rebuild some temple where a messiah will come to show Hitler how it should have been done.

I was wondering when someone would bring up the racial differences. I may surprise some of you when I say that I am Black / African American whatever you feel most comfortable with. I can't tell you how many times I've seen these cases not only in New Orleans but in Houston too. Matter of fact, make that all of the south. There's a double standard that not many people see. They do a really good job of keeping things a secret from the people they don't want to see it. And that's basically everyone. I can go on and on but this isn't what the debate is about.

And before anyone asks me why I talk the way I do, if I were to talk a different way would any of you be taking me seriously?

You might be right, I stopped paying attention to that entire ordeal years now, I stopped applying logic to illogical people, Israel continues to disregard the UN and so did the US so American gov't lawlessness confirmed. Which is why I respect men like Chavez, Castro, and Kim Jong, all men with large balls of steel.

Communism shows balls of steel huh? Please do explain this...