Setting up Basic network

[asf]

Just now, jeffeuh said:

Question : is you DGN2200 is DHCP server ?

If yes, it will send to VM the IP configuration.But if the DGN2200 is not connected to internet himself and does not play as a router, VM will will not be connected to Internet.

 

If i may ask what is a DHCP Server?

 

And no the DGN2200 is not connected to the internet, but my computer is, and when i set to bridge mode the VM will also be connected to the internet via my modem.

[jeffeuh]

Just now, asf said:

 

If i may ask what is a DHCP Server?

 

And no the DGN2200 is not connected to the internet, but my computer is, and when i set to bridge mode the VM will also be connected to the internet via my modem.

 

Is your VM receive an ip configuration in bridge mode ?

The VM has internet because of you have certainly share the HUAWEI connection with the Network Card plugged to DGN2200. That's why.

 

So, the most easy my be to set the IP configuration manually on PC1, PC2 and VM on the netwotk card plugged on the DGN2200 :

• PC1
  • IP : 192.168.0.1
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL
• PC2
  • IP : 192.168.0.2
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL
• VM
  • IP : 192.168.0.3
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL

Try it, with BRIDE mode

[asf]

8 minutes ago, jeffeuh said:

 

Is your VM receive an ip configuration in bridge mode ?

The VM has internet because of you have certainly share the HUAWEI connection with the Network Card plugged to DGN2200. That's why.

 

My HUAWEI is not shared with anything.

 

The VM gets internet on bridged mode even when the ethernet is not in.

 

8 minutes ago, jeffeuh said:

So, the most easy my be to set the IP configuration manually on PC1, PC2 and VM on the netwotk card plugged on the DGN2200 :

• PC1
  • IP : 192.168.0.1
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL
• PC2
  • IP : 192.168.0.2
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL
• VM
  • IP : 192.168.0.3
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL

Try it, with BRIDGE mode

 

Lets skip for now the VM, first i would like to succeed in having a normal network between the two computers, with the ability to connect each computer separately to the internet via HUAWEI Modem, and then we will start working to add the VM also to the network.

 

Thanks

 

One small note.

Something is very weird, right now the network is on unidentified mode and,

1. It was already normal a few days ago, don't know why it jumped back to unidentified.
2. From PC 2 i could see PC 1 (in the notwork) But from PC 1 I can't see PC 2.

Thanks

 

Also i forgot to ask, how do i set these settings?

8 minutes ago, jeffeuh said:

So, the most easy my be to set the IP configuration manually on PC1, PC2 and VM on the netwotk card plugged on the DGN2200 :

• PC1
  • IP : 192.168.0.1
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL
• PC2
  • IP : 192.168.0.2
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL
• VM
  • IP : 192.168.0.3
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL

Try it, with BRIDE mode

Thanks

[jeffeuh]

Try this :

 

If the VM must not see others, set mode to NAT.

This mode isolate networks by making a NAT. This can solve your problem.

But in this mode, you cannot resolve names but you can contact other by IP.

17 minutes ago, asf said:

Something is very weird, right now the network is on unidentified mode and,

1. It was already normal a few days ago, don't know why it jumped back to unidentified

 

Which network ? On VM ? on PC1 ? on PC2 ?

[asf]

Just now, jeffeuh said:

Which network ? On VM ? on PC1 ? on PC2 ?

Between PC 1 and PC 2

[jeffeuh]

3 minutes ago, asf said:

Between PC 1 and PC 2

 

This happend when firewall is on and when PC1 consider the network as Public.

Set it as Private and you will see ohters

[asf]

44 minutes ago, jeffeuh said:

 

This happend when firewall is on and when PC1 consider the network as Public.

Set it as Private and you will see ohters

 

Firewall is off, and both computers are on public because the network is unidentified. but still PC2 has access to PC1 and PC1 doesn't have access to PC2 both PC1 and PC2 are on public.

 

And The network was already once on private and identified don't understand why it jumped to unidentified.

[jeffeuh]

2 minutes ago, asf said:

 

Firewall is off, and both computers are on public because the network is unidentified. but still PC2 has access to PC1 and PC1 doesn't have access to PC2 both PC1 and PC2 are on public.

 

And The network was already once on private and identified don't understand why it jumped to unidentified.

 

*Unidentified appears when no ip is configured or when no gateway is set

[asf]

Just now, jeffeuh said:

 

*Unidentified appears when no ip is configured or when no gateway is set

 

So how was it already identified? and why did it jump back to unidentified?

 

I am confused, is it impossible to set up a network without internet access? 

[jeffeuh]

1 minute ago, asf said:

 

So how was it already identified? and why did it jump back to unidentified?

 

I am confused, is it impossible to set up a network without internet access? 

 

Unidentified is just "for information" you can don't care until your network is working.

You can set up a network without internet, of course.

Try to set up the config manually, this is your better way to have the result you want.

[asf]

22 minutes ago, jeffeuh said:

 

Unidentified is just "for information" you can don't care until your network is working.

You can set up a network without internet, of course.

Try to set up the config manually, this is your better way to have the result you want.

 

Unidentified is more then just information, when the network is unidentified it's on public.

 

So let's try to manually set the config. lets try to start from the beginning, i unplugged the ethernet, now what?

 

Thanks

[jeffeuh]

14 minutes ago, asf said:

 

Unidentified is more then just information, when the network is unidentified it's on public.

 

So let's try to manually set the config. lets try to start from the beginning, i unplugged the ethernet, now what?

 

Thanks

 

Yes it's normal, Public is considered as unsafe. So what ?

 

if you unplug ethernet, VM can only communicate with the host.

Follow as I said before, configure manually, try to ping others. This is what you have to do first. Ensure the network connectivity is working fine.

Then, once everyone can ping everyone, you can troubleshoot others issues.

[asf]

31 minutes ago, jeffeuh said:

 

Yes it's normal, Public is considered as unsafe. So what ?

 

if you unplug ethernet, VM can only communicate with the host.

Follow as I said before, configure manually, try to ping others. This is what you have to do first. Ensure the network connectivity is working fine.

Then, once everyone can ping everyone, you can troubleshoot others issues.

 

Let's start from the beginning, i have 2 PC's with 1 router, i want to setup a network, what should i do?

 

Thanks really much

[jeffeuh]

1 minute ago, asf said:

 

Let's start from the beginning, i have 2 PC's with 1 router, i want to setup a network, what should i do?

 

Thanks really much

 

ok, by default the router has the DHCP server feature enabled (if not, you must enable it directly into the router)

It will send IP configuration to plugged computers.

 

just with it, you must ping PC1 vs PC2.

If not, don't go so far, your problem is here. Solve it first.

[asf]

Just now, jeffeuh said:

 

ok, by default the router has the DHCP server feature enabled (if not, you must enable it directly into the router)

It will send IP configuration to plugged computers.

 

just with it, you must ping PC1 vs PC2.

If not, don't go so far, your problem is here. Solve it first.

 

I don't understand, what should i do? should i plug in the two computers into the router?

[asf]

9 minutes ago, jeffeuh said:

 

ok, by default the router has the DHCP server feature enabled (if not, you must enable it directly into the router)

It will send IP configuration to plugged computers.

 

just with it, you must ping PC1 vs PC2.

If not, don't go so far, your problem is here. Solve it first.

 

I can't even get into the router settings.

[jeffeuh]

17 minutes ago, asf said:

 

I don't understand, what should i do? should i plug in the two computers into the router?

 

Just plug PCs with network cable. That's all. can you ping ?

9 minutes ago, asf said:

 

I can't even get into the router settings.

 

forget that.

[asf]

Just now, jeffeuh said:

Just plug PCs with network cable. That's all. can you ping ?

 

Ping via CMD? which IP should i try to ping?

[jeffeuh]

2 minutes ago, asf said:

 

Ping via CMD? which IP should i try to ping?

 

on PC1 : ipconfig. note the IP

on PC2 : ipconfig. note IP

 

From PC1, try to ping the IP of PC2 with cmd "ping PC2"

From PC2, try to ping the IP of PC1 with cmd "ping PC1"

[PistalPete]

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Let's start from the beginning, i have 2 PC's with 1 router, i want to setup a network, what should i do?

asf, first thing plug both computers into the router via Ethernet cable. Next make sure both computers are set to connect to private, not public. This will take care of your "unidentified network" problem. Once you have confirmed both computers are private, then the simplest network to set up is the Home Group. Just select set up a home group from one computer. Once you have set up the home group on one computer, you will have a "Home Group key" generated by the home group setup. Now go to the other computer and select join the homegroup and use the generated key to join. This will give you basic folder sharing allowing you to share pictures, document, video, etc. between computers. If you want to share other folders that were not included in the home group shared folders during setup, right click on the folder you want to share and set it to be a shared folder. 

[asf]

On 3/18/2016 at 5:34 PM, jeffeuh said:

 

on PC1 : ipconfig. note the IP

on PC2 : ipconfig. note IP

 

From PC1, try to ping the IP of PC2 with cmd "ping PC2"

From PC2, try to ping the IP of PC1 with cmd "ping PC1"

 

PC 1 IP config

 

PC 2 IP config

 

PC 1 Ping PC 2 

 

PC 2 Ping PC 1

 

 

18 hours ago, PistalPete said:

asf, first thing plug both computers into the router via Ethernet cable. Next make sure both computers are set to connect to private, not public. This will take care of your "unidentified network" problem. Once you have confirmed both computers are private, then the simplest network to set up is the Home Group. Just select set up a home group from one computer. Once you have set up the home group on one computer, you will have a "Home Group key" generated by the home group setup. Now go to the other computer and select join the homegroup and use the generated key to join. This will give you basic folder sharing allowing you to share pictures, document, video, etc. between computers. If you want to share other folders that were not included in the home group shared folders during setup, right click on the folder you want to share and set it to be a shared folder. 

I'm sorry, but from windows 8 there is no normal way to change network locations (from public to private), indeed i could force it to change, but it would just change the location for all unidentified networks.

 

Thanks

[PistalPete]

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I'm sorry, but from windows 8 there is no normal way to change network locations (from public to private), indeed i could force it to change, but i would just change the location for all unidentified networks.

That is the goal asf, if your network is unidentified then you can't create network shares. So yes, you must change the "unidentified network" on each computer to private. In windows 8.1, there are a number of ways to do this. Put your mouse in the bottom left corner of the screen and right click. A menu list should pop up and then click system. Another way to get there is open file manager, click on computer and then in the ribbon bar across the top click system properties. Either way, you should now be on a screen where about half way down you will see "computer name, domain and workgroup settings". Over to the left of this you will see "Change Settings" Click to change settings. On the next screen you will see a button labeled "Network ID". Click that. In windows 10 you will see on the next screen "This is a home computer, it's not part of a business network" You should see something similar in Windows 8.1 Select that. Computer will say it needs to reboot. Reboot, go to network setting and setup your home group.

[asf]

34 minutes ago, PistalPete said:

1 hour ago, asf said:

I'm sorry, but from windows 8 there is no normal way to change network locations (from public to private), indeed i could force it to change, but it would just change the location for all unidentified networks, and not just for this individual network.

That is the goal asf, if your network is unidentified then you can't create network shares. So yes, you must change the "unidentified network" on each computer to private. In windows 8.1, there are a number of ways to do this.

I just wanted to correct myself, there fell in a mistake in the my above answer to you, instead of "I" there was supposed to be a "it" and that changes my answer, that i could change in Local security settings that Unidentified networks should always be private and not public, but that won't do any good.

 

What we need to achieve is that Windows should recognize the network, only then could i set for that individual network that it should be either public or private.

 

34 minutes ago, PistalPete said:

Put your mouse in the bottom left corner of the screen and right click. A menu list should pop up and then click system. Another way to get there is open file manager, click on computer and then in the ribbon bar across the top click system properties. Either way, you should now be on a screen where about half way down you will see "computer name, domain and workgroup settings". Over to the left of this you will see "Change Settings" Click to change settings. On the next screen you will see a button labeled "Network ID". Click that. In windows 10 you will see on the next screen "This is a home computer, it's not part of a business network" You should see something similar in Windows 8.1 Select that. Computer will say it needs to reboot. Reboot, go to network setting and setup your home group.

I did this, and i didn't change anything, (still on public and unidentified) sorry. 

 

34 minutes ago, PistalPete said:

go to network setting and setup your home group.

I'm sorry but i don't intend on creating a homegroup, i just want to share specific folders (with specific users, but that i found out is impossible without a server, so after i finished with this, i'm going to try to figure out how i could use a virtual server for that, but lets leave this for it's time, as there is a saying, we will cross the bridge when we will arrive to it)

 

Thank you.

[jeffeuh]

Hi asf,

Actually, you have no IP address configured.

IP address like 169.254.xxx.xxx is an APIPA address. It's an old way for old system o communicate and it was again in Windows System.

So, I recommend you don't be in this mode. You will have some problem with.

 

Please, set your IP configuration on 2 computers manually :

 

Go here :

 

And set IP configuration like :

• PC1
  • IP : 192.168.0.1
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL
• PC2
  • IP : 192.168.0.2
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL

After, that, we can continue. This is the first mandatory step.

 

I repeat, if ping PC1 -> PC2 and ping PC2 -> PC1 don't work, you cannot continue.

[asf]

2 hours ago, jeffeuh said:

Hi asf,

Actually, you have no IP address configured.

IP address like 169.254.xxx.xxx is an APIPA address. It's an old way for old system o communicate and it was again in Windows System.

So, I recommend you don't be in this mode. You will have some problem with.

 

Please, set your IP configuration on 2 computers manually :

 

Go here :

 

And set IP configuration like :

• PC1
  • IP : 192.168.0.1
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL
• PC2
  • IP : 192.168.0.2
  • MASK : 255.255.255.0
  • GATEWAY : NULL
  • DNS1/DNS2 : NULL

After, that, we can continue. This is the first mandatory step.

 

I repeat, if ping PC1 -> PC2 and ping PC2 -> PC1 don't work, you cannot continue.

 

This is what i get when i try to set the ip.