ESET Nod32 - Just Anti Virus or Smart Security version ?

[White.Socks]

hi,

i have a question about NOD32...... im not sure if i need the SMART SECURITY version with firewall since i go into inet over my fathers PC

i go through a home network to inet

and we have a wlan DSL BOX

do i need a firewall / smart security of ESET ? ( however, the firewall never gave a alarm until now and i use it for few months now )

or is AV version enough in that case ?

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jalaffa

[BBs]

NOD32 should be enough if you use Windows Firewall with your Router!

With the Firewall the processes take much more ram, i think NOD32 is enough.

Es reicht völlig aus :D

[DKT27]

Shought wrote: "ESET NOD32 - ANTI VIRUS = Just Anti Virus protection.

SMART SECURITY =Anti Virus + Firewall."

Firewall is a important feature. Don't use internet without it. Windows firewall sucks. I don't understand how it can protect people? Now it's up to you.

[shought]

I was a bit short there.

It's like this:

NOD32 Antivirus: Antivirus and Antispyware.

Smart Security: Antivirus, Antispyware, Firewall and Antispam.

If you're behind a router(are you? check if you have two boxes through which your Internet connection is going, one is the modem(the first one, closest to the source(ISP)) and the other is the router(closest to your PC)) then you should be fine with Windows Firewall. If you want HIPS and more extra features then you should take some other firewall, but I wouldn't recommend ESET.

In my opinion it is better to have a standalone firewall and a standalone antivirus. (Which is what I've got set up currently, NOD32 + COMODO)

Anyway if you have 2GB of RAM or more then you shouldn't be worrying about any firewall taking a chunk out of your memory, as you have sufficient anyway :D

[DKT27]

What is HIPS?

I used AVG Free and ZoneAlarm for 3 years. It was the worst combination for performance of my PC. That's why I chose ESET SS. It took less RAM etc. The firewall contains all the visible features I want on my PC. I use it for more of network usage by program rather than a firewall. Although it has kept many internet virus at a bay by not allowing them to get into my PC by blocking the connection before virus would download.

[shought]

Your firewall does not 'keep internet viruses away from your computer' ;) All it does is block incoming connections/attacks that are unauthorized ;)

HIPS = Host Intrusion Prevention System (It analyzes actions by applications and applications, never really understood what it exactly does, so someone else should repeat the story :P)

[DKT27]

Your firewall does not 'keep internet viruses away from your computer' ;) All it does is block incoming connections/attacks that are unauthorized ;)

It has blocked many of the unauthorized connection, stating the virus the connection contains. Or something like that.

HIPS = Host Intrusion Prevention System (It analyzes actions by applications and applications, never really understood what it exactly does, so someone else should repeat the story :P )

Sorry but why did you posted it?

[White.Socks]

i asked my father he says its a router.... the connection goes from the living room up to his PC then from his PC the connection goes to my PC through the network cable

so i dont need firewall right ?

yes i have 2GB i have more....

however i wanted to know if its necessary or is it complete nonsense i mean i heard its not necessary in that case if u use router etc and if u are not right at the connection

so why installing something i wont need anyways

[DKT27]

Man you always need one.

One firewall is for one PC not for all PC in you home.

[shought]

Your firewall does not 'keep internet viruses away from your computer' ;) All it does is block incoming connections/attacks that are unauthorized ;)

It has blocked many of the unauthorized connection, stating the virus the connection contains. Or something like that.

HIPS = Host Intrusion Prevention System (It analyzes actions by applications and applications, never really understood what it exactly does, so someone else should repeat the story :P )

Sorry but why did you posted it?

Unauthorized connections it blocked maybe, but your antivirus is what keeps the viruses out, a firewal does not detect viruses, believe me :P

I thought you asked what HIPS was?

@White.Socks

You could run your PC without firewall, do not that a firewall should filter incoming and outgoing connections, if you disable any firewall then only the incoming connections are filtered because the outgoing are accepted by the router anyway.

@ DKT27

Following what I said to White.Socks above there is always a use for a firewall, but you do not necessarily always need one, since if you're sure no unwanted applications will get into your system there will be no need to filter the outgoing connections ;)

[LeetPirate]

Your firewall does not 'keep internet viruses away from your computer' :hehe: All it does is block incoming connections/attacks that are unauthorized ;)

It has blocked many of the unauthorized connection, stating the virus the connection contains. Or something like that.

A firewall will never detect a virus, what is does is detect when a malicious program tries to access a blocked port, most common firewall software may indeed block certain ports specially associated with a current rampant virus, Norton 360 does this I believe.

Just some random information here: :D Nowadays we use the word virus loosely but back in the day a virus was a standalone program incapable of spreading via network connections, network capable viruses were dubbed as worms because of their capability to move around.

i asked my father he says its a router.... the connection goes from the living room up to his PC then from his PC the connection goes to my PC through the network cable

so i dont need firewall right ?

yes i have 2GB i have more....

however i wanted to know if its necessary or is it complete nonsense i mean i heard its not necessary in that case if u use router etc and if u are not right at the connection

so why installing something i wont need anyways

short answer is no you don't need a software firewall and you may never benefit from it nor do you need any hips capable programs. Most ISPs have firewall capabilities which you can call them and ask them to firewall you and they will block every port except a few needed ones like 21,80,443, etc. This is the most powerful firewall you will ever be able to use as most likely your isp is using state of the art Cisco, or Nortel hardware.

The second line of defence is your home NAT firewall inside your router, many people discredit the power of this firewall and buy into the marketing that you need an elaborate software firewall else you are doomed somehow. I can tell you with certainty that there are only few people capable of hacking your computer through a NAT firewall on this planet and they do not care about the data on your PC that much. Real hackers are not what you see on TV with some pale goof ball living in a basement pressing random keys and looking at a 3d picture moving around on the screen, this is the furthest from the truth. The next thing is that no talented hacker will waste his time randomly trying to hack normal internet users because chances are if you don't care to pay for a static IP then you don't have anything worth stealing on your pc.

The third thing is that windows comes with a very good software firewall capable of blocking most things but I disabled that because I don't see the need for it. If viruses are your concern then a normal antivirus is your solution because people seem to not realise that all viruses must enter your computer's memory before anything can detect it, this is how computers work. Some firewall fanatics think that in some magical way a firewall blocks viruses before they reach your computer, I won't call any names of course, hehe the person isn't in the thread anyway, lol. It is impossible for a firewall on your computer to block a threat that is somewhere floating in space, it has to already be in your ram else the software cannot analyse it. Now you see how redundant it is to have firewall for the purpose of blocking viruses, any virus that reaches on your computer will be in RAM first and the antivirus realtime modules will pick it up. NOD32 also uses a web scanner module which hooks the tcpip processes in memory to detect stuff before it leaves that layer to be assembled into files in ram, this is the same level of protection that a firewall will use so it's quite redundant.

my advice is use nod32 antivirus alone, but be aware than no single program or group of programs can offer 100% protection from every threat. nod32 is capable of running together with many other antivirus solutions so you can have better protection by using 2 antivirus programs. I recommend you use nod32 together with malware bytes for realtime protection but you can also use others like norton 2009 or try out something else that you might like except kaspersky, which is a failure of a program and they try to mask their pathetic coding by telling you to remove all other virus software before installing kaspersky. If you still opt to use a software firewall then the word on the internet is that online armour and comodo offer the best solutions.

[DKT27]

That's a long description.

Well i didn't used proper words above, what I meant to say was the was a virus on a website that had a ip address for himself. Eset told me the viruses address and didn't allow me to open that webpage. The popup that came at near the tray was saying firewall has blocked something or that sort of. Because I have deleted the log of eset and the website has removed the accidental virus, I'm not able to show you.

ESET firewall has also shown a DNS poisoning attack. I don't know what it mean though.

What is NAT firewall? In one line.

[White.Socks]

lol what i dont get is why are u suggestion me a firewall if i dont really need one leetpirate ???

xD dont get me wrong its just funny i think....

" Some firewall fanatics think that in some magical way a firewall blocks viruses before they reach your computer, I won't call any names of course, hehe the person isn't in the thread anyway, lol. "

;D HAHA

will stick with NOD32... thx for your help @all

[shought]

@LeetPirate

Some firewall fanatics think that in some magical way a firewall blocks viruses before they reach your computer, I won't call any names of course, hehe the person isn't in the thread anyway, lol.

Could you please try not be sarcastic, this is not appreciated by some people. (I know you didn't mean this as an insult) Rather try to explain why this is not the case :hehe:

@DKT27

Your firewall blocked an address, not a file, for a file to be blocked a part of it needs to be downloaded and recognized as a virus, for a website to be blocked all you need to do is enter the address. Indirectly your Firewall did block the downloading of a virus, but what it essentially did was blocking an address. Without the Firewall the file would've most likely also been blocked as ESET knew about this particular virus(because they blocked it) and it is probably already added to their virus signature database.

[DKT27]

As I told I didn't used the right words. I know what you are saying. I didn't used the right words. I was trying to say what you just wrote. Thanx for putting it a right way so that no one can come heavily on me without understand what I meant to say.

Shought you got it right.

As far as my words problem is concerned, I am in a country where I have to learn many languages that includes, my mother tongue, city language, local area language, state language, the national language and the international language. All the language differ from each other in a different way. So it is natural that I was not able to put it a right way. People should understand then post anything on anyone.

[LeetPirate]

That's a long description.

Well i didn't used proper words above, what I meant to say was the was a virus on a website that had a ip address for himself. Eset told me the viruses address and didn't allow me to open that webpage. The popup that came at near the tray was saying firewall has blocked something or that sort of. Because I have deleted the log of eset and the website has removed the accidental virus, I'm not able to show you.

ESET firewall has also shown a DNS poisoning attack. I don't know what it mean though.

What is NAT firewall? In one line.

Hey don't worry, I didn't mean to sound as if my comments were directed at you personally, please accept my apology if you felt offended in any way it wasn't my intention my friend. A NAT firewall is something that translates one type of internet address to another type because the 2 types of address cannot understand each other without the translator in between. The internet uses ip addresses that are called public ip addresses and computers connected to your router will use private ip addresses, this means that any person trying to contact your pc from the outside will only see your public ip address and will only be able to contact your modem and not your pc thus you are protected behind the nat firewall.

lol what i dont get is why are u suggestion me a firewall if i dont really need one leetpirate ???

xD dont get me wrong its just funny i think....

hehe, yea well even though my opinion is that you don't need one, I won't force you to do as I do so I also presented options in case you decided to still use a firewall software. ;) I still must recommend that if you decide to stick to nod32 AV alone then also use a secondary anti virus protection in case nod32 misses a virus, the general consensus for secondary protection is something like malware bytes anti malware or super anti spyware but you can check the frontpage anti-malware section to check out some more programs.

@LeetPirate

Some firewall fanatics think that in some magical way a firewall blocks viruses before they reach your computer, I won't call any names of course, hehe the person isn't in the thread anyway, lol.

Could you please try not be sarcastic, this is not appreciated by some people. (I know you didn't mean this as an insult) Rather try to explain why this is not the case :hehe:

cool, I will try to remember this for next time, no hard feelings. :D

[dumble]

nod32 AV is enough.. no software firewall needed..

just make sure firewall in dsl box is enabled (it is default enabled, so unless you changed that there is nothing to worry about)

There is no need for 2 firewalls, so disable all firewalls on you computer. No smart security, no windows firewall..

[shought]

@dumble

If you want to filter the outgoing connections as well then there is, but most people don't want to do this :fear:

[KotaXor]

@LeePirate

Agreed that no hacker would want to hack into my computer....nothing to gain except porn. :fear:

But they might use my computer as a bot.LOL

[Sonar]

All this depends on what router he's using... if hes using a Netgear or something with better specs (set up correctly) he don't need a firewall. most of the top end router have good protection :fear:

Edit

Reading further down (i noticed this) :D

The second line of defence is your home NAT firewall inside your router, many people discredit the power of this firewall and buy into the marketing that you need an elaborate software firewall else you are doomed somehow. I can tell you with certainty that there are only few people capable of hacking your computer through a NAT firewall on this planet and they do not care about the data on your PC that much. Real hackers are not what you see on TV with some pale goof ball living in a basement pressing random keys and looking at a 3d picture moving around on the screen, this is the furthest from the truth. The next thing is that no talented hacker will waste his time randomly trying to hack normal internet users because chances are if you don't care to pay for a static IP then you don't have anything worth stealing on your pc.

[DKT27]

LeetPirate, I accept your apology.

The power of your AV also comes here as a virus can also be crypted and send to your PC and most of the AV's cannot catch a crypted file. That's what I have found. Correct me If I am wrong.

Firewall decision is on you.

As far as protection is concerned I myself use ESET SS and MAM full version.

[White.Socks]

deinstalled SMART SECURITY 4.0.437 and installed just NOD32 AV 4.0.437

with NOD LOGIN 9.9c final

btw where the link again to download the latest box mare fix 1.1 ?

[LeetPirate]

deinstalled SMART SECURITY 4.0.437 and installed just NOD32 AV 4.0.437

with NOD LOGIN 9.9c final

btw where the link again to download the latest box mare fix 1.1 ?

the latest is now v1.2, from what I gather the updated v1.2 changes none of the core functionality so if you still use v1.1 you have the same great fix, v1.2 enhances the validation capabilities. I will copy the post below.

Because of some problems mentioned in this thread, I made a new version of the fix (v1.2) with few modifications:

- added detection if user has admin privileges;

- added detection if ESET product is installed at all;

- added note about possible update problems.

Note: There is no need to use new version of the fix, if everything works fine for you with v1.1 of the fix.

I'll send the new version to shought so he can update the frontpage.

Cheers :lmao:

get the new box mara fix on this page.

All this depends on what router he's using... if hes using a Netgear or something with better specs (set up correctly) he don't need a firewall. most of the top end router have good protection :fear:

Well said. ;)

I don't trust Netgear any more though :D , I used to think they were good until I realised they wilfully release new versions of the same products and then stop supporting the previous versions very soon. When I opened up my Netgear equipment I realised that they would have a version of a product then 3 months later a version 2 with the exact same cpu and specs and if you are lucky they moved a capacitor on the PCB else the version 2 means a different colour item. Their crappy service was expected as most of these companies outsource tech support and give the tech people a list of standard answers to all questions. What pushed me over the edge was when I read about their utter incompetence in firmware development that brought down the university of Wisconsin's NTP server. Linksys version numbers usually mean something significant, like a different cpu or size of ram etc. The one thing I don't like about Linksys is they use their Cisco affiliations to jack up the prices. Buffalo makes the best home routers and stock firmware in my opinion and their prices are good too. Buffalo also makes a line of hardware mods for their routers like higher gain antennas etc.

Anyway that was just some by the way information to help folks to save money on wireless equipment instead of spending loads on the brand name.

[White.Socks]

thx for the link !

edit :

lol it may be a little bit weird but i ask myself right now if its possible to use NOD LOGIN first that u get a license inserted

and then run BOX MARA FIX 1.2

so that the license gets freezed lol

??? ;D i dont think so as it just freezes the trial days...

[mara-]

thx for the link !

edit :

lol it may be a little bit weird but i ask myself right now if its possible to use NOD LOGIN first that u get a license inserted

and then run BOX MARA FIX 1.2

so that the license gets freezed lol

??? ;D i dont think so as it just freezes the trial days...

No, it's not possible. Fix will delete license when applied.

Cheers ;)