Pale Moon blocks Adblock Plus

[dcs18]

Pale Moon Users are being led into believing that Pale Moon does not support Adblock Plus while the actual equation is that it is Adblock Plus which does not support Pale Moon.

Let's hear what I stated — from the horses mouth!

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[Amigaspace]

Pale Moon is a forked version of Firefox. The ABP add on was compatible with it before v25 was released. The ABP is still compatible with Firefox then why not with Pale Moon? Because the developer of Pale Moon don't want ABP to compatible with his browser.

Wow, that's some weird logic. The ABP is still "compatible" with Firefox because it is made especially and exclusively for Firefox. How hard to understand is that? Pale Moon is a different program. The developers and users of Pale Moon asked the developers of ABP to support Pale Moon and they refused. Simple as that.

What seems to be the nonsense? Do you really believe that this is about Adblock Plus?

ABP is disabled because it is for Firefox (which is a different browser already) and naturally causes problems to unsuspecting users.

Yes! Firefox is a different browser . . . . . . . . . but it is based on Firefox — an older, depreciated version of Firefox (pre-Australis.)

No! Whatever works on the latest Firefox must also work on a fork of Firefox, too namely Pale Moon. Incompatibility cannot be offered as an excuse for clinging to an old algorithm which Firefox abandoned as long as the V29.

FWIW, this is not about Adblock Plus — it is about a deeper-rooted security issue that comes with a refusal to embrace latest developments.

As far as Adblock Plus is concerned, Pale Moon Users are being led into believing that Pale Moon does not support Adblock Plus while the actual equation is that it is Adblock Plus which does not support Pale Moon.

Just take a look into their forums to get your facts right.

I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about. The fact that once Pale Moon derived from Firefox doesn't mean it will always be like that. They are very different now and expecting all Firefox extensions to work on Pale Moon is stupid at best. Today's Firefox is significantly different than the old Firefox, and today's Pale Moon is significantly different than both old and new Firefox. There are no v.25's, v.29's and v.39's - these do not apply on Pale Moon, go read their faq's and they certainly do not mean that Pale Moon v.25 is "older and less secure" than Firefox 39 just because the number is lower. Yes, Firefox changed a lot (Australis etc.) and Pale Moon decided not to follow that direction because they disagree with those changes, not because... they were bored.

For those who like the new Firefox/Chrome-alike browser, just stick with Firefox. For those who liked the old Firefox, stick with Pale Moon. You will get all security updates and necessary features, including new, exclusive ones. For those that prefer ABP, there's ABL.

There are add-on developers (like the excellent uBlock and uBlock Origin, both better than ABP) that happily and actively support Pale Moon. Other choose not to, no need for unnecessary drama.

[dcs18]

The fact that once Pale Moon derived from Firefox doesn't mean it will always be like that.

Without deriving from Firefox, doesn't mean it will be able to keep up with the kind of development they previously did — personally, being a Pale Moon well-wisher I hope for the sake of Users, they would (only time will tell, though — ATM, it is just speculation & conjecture.)

You will get all security updates and necessary features, including new, exclusive ones.

Exclusive! That is already available on Firefox — pray, what is exclusive about that? :lmao:

BTW . . . . . . . previously, Pale Moon would just sit-back and wait for Firefox to publish their release/s — then, Pale Moon would filter out the unwanted code and announce their own release (that was not so bad.) FYI, that is exactly what adopters of Australis like me continue to do — we just remove unwanted code while staying abreast with our security needs.

Now, they have embarked upon their own development which is entirely different — yes, Pale Moon Users will continue to receive their security updates . . . . . . . . . the question is will those security updates & features get released on time?

I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about. There are add-on developers (like the excellent uBlock and uBlock Origin, both better than ABP) that happily and actively support Pale Moon.

Really! Since you seem to know everything, wanna have a match with my ABP — any site of your choosing? :tehe:

Let's demonstrate with screenshots — let the people will decide on effectiveness, rendition, page-loading, etc., etc. You may choose to squirm out by claiming that you do not use "the excellent uBlock and uBlock Origin" if you wish to (the people will know, though.) :naughty:

[rudrax]

Pale Moon is a forked version of Firefox. The ABP add on was compatible with it before v25 was released. The ABP is still compatible with Firefox then why not with Pale Moon? Because the developer of Pale Moon don't want ABP to compatible with his browser.

Wow, that's some weird logic. The ABP is still "compatible" with Firefox because it is made especially and exclusively for Firefox. How hard to understand is that? Pale Moon is a different program. The developers and users of Pale Moon asked the developers of ABP to support Pale Moon and they refused. Simple as that.

Wow, first of all copy a program like Firefox and then release a copy of it doing some changes and say it as different program - this is very easy to understand :lol:

Firefox is and will always be better than Palemoon because Palemoon copies Firefox, Firefox doesn't copy palemoon.

When someone copies someone's work and says it better than the original and some people believes that blindly and follows the dark path, they are one of their own kind. May God bless them :pope:

[Amigaspace]

Exclusive! That is already available on Firefox — pray, what is exclusive about that? :lmao:

Really, it was? Without resorting to yet another extension? My bad then... I'd like to know about it. My reply was mostly aimed at those who say that Pale Moon is "old and unsupported" while clearly it can actually be "on the bleeding edge" where browsing is concerned. Yes, there are no social/chat/PDF features (and that's by choice).

BTW . . . . . . . previously, Pale Moon would just sit-back and wait for Firefox to publish their release/s — then, Pale Moon would filter out the unwanted code and announce their own release (that was not so bad.) FYI, that is exactly what adopters of Australis like me continue to do — we just remove unwanted code while staying abreast with our security needs. Now, they have embarked upon their own development which is entirely different — yes, Pale Moon Users will continue to receive their security updates . . . . . . . . . the question is will those security updates & features get released on time?

I agree with most of that, and Pale Moon developers certainly have a more demanding and difficult job now. There are doing quite well for the moment. You just fail to mention that Firefox's "on time" and "up to date" development cycle that removes unwanted code while adding different code on top, is what made it the unstable browser it has become, constantly driving more and more users to Pale Moon.

Really! Since you seem to know everything, wanna have a match with my ABP — any site of your choosing? :tehe:

Let's demonstrate with screenshots — let the people will decide on effectiveness, rendition, page-loading, etc., etc. You may choose to squirm out by claiming that you do not use "the excellent uBlock and uBlock Origin" if you wish to (the people will know, though.) :naughty:

I don't know everything, never said that. About ABP vs. uBlock, I guess the users will decide. The Adblock Edge maintainers already made their choice:

**This addon has been discontinued

Reason: Discontinued in favor of Ublock Origin, a general purpose blocker, that not only outperforms Adblock Edge but is also available on other browsers and, of course, without "Acceptable Ads Whitelist")

May I remind you that uBlock can use the same ABP filters, and as for speed and performance well, anyone can notice the difference, it's painfully obvious.

[Amigaspace]

Wow, first of all copy a program like Firefox and then release a copy of it doing some changes and say it as different program - this is very easy to understand :lol:

Firefox is and will always be better than Palemoon because Palemoon copies Firefox, Firefox doesn't copy palemoon.

When someone copies someone's work and says it better than the original and some people believes that blindly and follows the dark path, they are one of their own kind. May God bless them :pope:

You clearly have problems understanding what a fork is. Wait... you have no clue at all. Here's the link, and here's the link on what Open Source is. If Mozilla decides to make Firefox an office suite and drop the browsing part, I guess you'll still be trying to browse the web with it, because it'll be named Firefox, "it's the original" and "came first". :P

[dcs18]

I don't know everything, never said that. About ABP vs. uBlock, I guess the users will decide. The Adblock Edge maintainers already made their choice:

**This addon has been discontinued

Reason: Discontinued in favor of Ublock Origin, a general purpose blocker, that not only outperforms Adblock Edge but is also available on other browsers and, of course, without "Acceptable Ads Whitelist")

May I remind you that uBlock can use the same ABP filters, and as for speed and performance well, anyone can notice the difference, it's painfully obvious.

Hell no! It is not at all obvious — let's match . . . . . . . . . . that is the only way Users can decide.

[Amigaspace]

Hell no! It is not at all obvious — let's match . . . . . . . . . . that is the only way Users can decide.

What are you talking about? I've always been an ABP user and have nothing against it. I love it, actually. I just know experienced it always had a small but noticeable impact on browser startup and most importanly, browsing speed. When I learned about uBlock, I tried it and there was an immediate performance improvement.

Do you actually want me to make professional speed measurements, supply videos and scientific data proof? Really?

Like I said, for anyone who likes ABP there's no reason to replace it - even though the "Acceptable Ads" situation will always cast its shadow on ABP. If a user wants to give uBlock a try, my opinion is he/she will be pleasantly surprised.

[dcs18]

I just know it always had a small but noticeable impact on browser startup and most importanly, browsing speed.

Those sort of impact has no impact on my Firefox loaded with heavier ammunition than Adblock Plus (pardon the pun.)

Like I said, for anyone who likes ABP there's no reason to replace it - even though the "Acceptable Ads" feature will always cast its shadow on ABP.

Acceptable ads for Adblock Plus is an opt-out — however, it will always cast its shadow on Icompetents. :dunno:

When I learned about uBlock, I tried it and there was an immediate performance improvement.

If I user wants to give uBlock a try, my opinion is they'll be pleasantly surprised.

Have tried it before and after the multiple forks — it does not stand-up to Adblock Plus (lacks granularity.)

Do you actually want me to make professional speed measurements, supply videos and scientific data proof? Really?

No! I only invite you to a match — let's put our bucks where our mouth is and prove that Adblock Plus is just a walkover as you suggest . . . . . so that I and many others can start a new life with the almighty uBlock.

It is for the people to make professional measurements and see the scientific data for themselves.

[dcs18]

You will get all security updates and necessary features, including new, exclusive ones.

Exclusive! That is already available on Firefox — pray, what is exclusive about that?

Just tried breaking my Firefox codes which are responsible for that so called "exclusive" security — guess what, my copy prevents that "exclusive" site even from connecting a kiss to my a$$ (er — I mean headers.) :lol:

[steven36]

Now there browser wars between Firefox and Palmoon . At lest you know its role it cant compete with chrome or even IE for that matter in the user share market :lol: Just because its based on a newer version dont make it more safe or stable . If it did Firefox would not keep the same ESR for a year. Palemoon is simply about being a good web browser . It use to be based on there ESR but Firefox kept adding features no one really wanted so palemoon forked off on its own . I cant much blame the developers and Palemoon is not the only browser like this also there's K-Meleon.

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​Google has to handle Chrome security updates , Microsoft has to handle there browsers security updates and Mozilla handles Firefox And the developers at Palemoon does there own security updates.

[Amigaspace]

I just know it always had a small but noticeable impact on browser startup and most importanly, browsing speed.

Those sort of impact has no impact on my Firefox loaded with heavier ammunition than Adblock Plus (pardon the pun.)

Right... so now, in addition to having to constantly tweak Windows for performance, we'll have to use extra software to tweak and fix our browser, too. I admire your persuasion but I'd rather stick to what works, instead of constantly trying to patch and fix Firefox and Mozilla's "Chromey" choices and direction.

Acceptable ads for Adblock Plus is an opt-out — however, it will always cast its shadow on Icompetents. :dunno:

Keep going with your unnecessarily aggressive replies... you are only proving that hard-core Firefox fans (or any software's) can severely wear blinders and become extremely conservative when it comes to alternative, and usually better choices.

I was clearly not talking about the mere ability to disable the feature, but about the shady situation of ad-blocking software not blocking ads, and even receiving money to not block them. There are so many interesting articles on this online but frankly, I don't have to the time to search and link them here. Anyone can do it - here's one, anyway.

No! I only invite you to a match — let's put our bucks where our mouth is and prove that Adblock Plus is just a walkover as you suggest . . . . . so that I and many others can start a new life with the almighty uBlock.It is for the people to make professional measurements and see the scientific data for themselves.

Like I said many times, I've already done my own personal tests and made my decision. Users do not need me or you to make such a simple decision, they can try on their own time and systems. I never said uBlock is 100 times better and beats the s*** out of ABP, please stop twisting my words.

[steven36]

I don't use Palemoon or Firefox atm . But have used both in the past and dont have nothing against ether one and as far the Adblockers everyone out has its faults ..So its up to person to decide whats best for them.

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​Only I have one portable of Cyberfox x64 I use really I dont love no web browser I only use them to surf the web and wish I didn't have to use them. All web browsers in general open your computer up to data harvesting and malwares . There not the greatest things that were ever invented you know. :P

[dcs18]

Right... so now, in addition to having to constantly tweak Windows for performance,

Wrong! It is not a "constant" process — but just a one-time tweak (it is possible that you did not understand the tutorial.)

we'll have to use extra software to tweak and fix our browser, too. I admire your persuasion but I'd rather stick to what works, instead of constantly trying to patch and fix Firefox and Mozilla's "Chromey" choices and direction.

As long as it results in a guaranteed total resource-hogging of less than 5 MBs while most others are puffing and panting at over 200 MBs — not to discount the meager 5 MBs also factors for the extra, tiny little program (along with Firefox and the dozen or so, add-ons.) Why not? :dunno:

Personally, I am not a subscriber to the term "works" — I do not find myself easily satiated unless what I have is the very best (those who were born content might have a problem with that — sorry "works" is not for me.)

Like I said many times, I've already done my own personal tests and made my decision. Users do not need me or you to make such a simple decision, they can try on their own time and systems. I never said uBlock is 100 times better and beats the s*** out of ABP, please stop twisting my words.

I was clearly not talking about the mere ability to disable the feature, but about the shady situation of ad-blocking software not blocking ads, and even receiving money to not block them. There are so many interesting articles on this online but frankly, I don't have to the time to search and link them here. Anyone can do it - here's one, anyway.

Like I said many times, I've already done my own personal tests and made my decision. Users do not need me or you to make such a simple decision, they can try on their own time and systems. I never said uBlock is 100 times better and beats the s*** out of ABP, please stop twisting my words.

So . . . . . . . . just prove it,let's practise what you preach (I'll play along - c'mon.) :tehe:

[steven36]

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No one has to prove nothing every time I look at the marketshare it proves it to me

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​Only one ranks above the other browser were palemoon falls in. is IE 11.. 23% percent of the marketshare belongs to other browsers that means there's a heck of a lot people not using the main stream ones at all.

​At the rate Firefox is going and old version of it may have more marketshare value than a new one one day :)

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​If you was trading stocks you sure would not want put you're money on Firefox

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https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2&qpcustomd=0

[Amigaspace]

So . . . . . . . . just prove it,let's practise what you preach (I'll play along - c'mon.) :tehe:

No, because I'm tired of this as I'm sure all thread followers are. However, seeing your nice tutorials including Skype ones, I'll test you on an annoying Skype and completely off-topic issue: Skype 7.2+ crashes badly if it detects some particular PCI TV cards, thinking they are webcams. Earlier versions think they are webcams too, but don' crash. My question: do you know of a way to completely hide/isolate a hardware device from Skype only? Feel free to PM me if you think there's a way to do this, thanks. Some info here, there are other threads, too.

[dcs18]

So . . . . . . . . just prove it,let's practise what you preach (I'll play along - c'mon.)

No, because I'm tired of this as I'm sure all thread followers are.

Nope, others are not tired, like you — they know what is coming (they have already witnessed the uBlock v/s Adblock Plus matches . . . . . many a times.) :lol:

However, seeing your nice tutorials including Skype ones, I'll test you on an annoying Skype and completely off-topic issue: Skype 7.2+ crashes badly if it detects some particular PCI TV cards, thinking they are webcams. Earlier versions think they are webcams too, but don' crash. My question: do you know of a way to completely hide/isolate a hardware device from Skype only? Feel free to PM me if you think there's a way to do this, thanks. Some info here, there are other threads, too.

Why PM? Suggest making your appeal in the appropriate topic — someone or the other might assist you (if they wish to.)

[rudrax]

Wow, first of all copy a program like Firefox and then release a copy of it doing some changes and say it as different program - this is very easy to understand :lol:

Firefox is and will always be better than Palemoon because Palemoon copies Firefox, Firefox doesn't copy palemoon.

When someone copies someone's work and says it better than the original and some people believes that blindly and follows the dark path, they are one of their own kind. May God bless them :pope:

You clearly have problems understanding what a fork is. Wait... you have no clue at all. Here's the link, and here's the link on what Open Source is. If Mozilla decides to make Firefox an office suite and drop the browsing part, I guess you'll still be trying to browse the web with it, because it'll be named Firefox, "it's the original" and "came first". :P

The discussion is between Firefox and Palemoon to decide which one is better. Palemoon have stated that Firefox has this problem and that and those are promised to be rectified in Palemoon. People fell for the promises but when it comes to application, Palemoon is nowhere near Firefox.

[rudrax]

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No one has to prove nothing every time I look at the marketshare it proves it to me

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​Only one ranks above the other browser were palemoon falls in. is IE 11.. 23% percent of the marketshare belongs to other browsers that means there's a heck of a lot people not using the main stream ones at all.

​At the rate Firefox is going and old version of it may have more marketshare value than a new one one day :)

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​If you was trading stocks you sure would not want put you're money on Firefox

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https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2&qpcustomd=0

My dear friend, it's browser battle, not stock market. Look IE is all over the place even the v8. This is not because IE is the best browser but the cause is, most of the people wants to remain orthodox. They uses what comes with their systems. The may not even know that there are other thing that could be used to browse the Internet in better way. Market share tells just how much of the dumb and lazy people are crawling over the Internet, not which one is the best browser.

[steven36]

That's you're opinion just like you have Microsoft fanboys, you have Firefox fan boys and Chrome fanboys if everyone was of the same opinion the world would be boring and they would very little stuff to choose from.
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​I never liked Chrome really, I've not used IE since 2006 much and I lost interest in Palemoon when addons stooped working . I started losing interest in Firefox with v29 when they added astrials. Thats about the time palemoon forked off from them. Firefox has been on a downward slope since they started rapid release having to reverse stuff every new version and now there adding stuff in stable versions you can't reverse . Ill stay with Cyberfox for now . For me to go back to Firefox they will have to change a lot for the good but i dont see it happening because all they did was add stuff no one wanted for the last 4 years . They dont care about what the end user wants it seems.

[dcs18]

The discussion is between Firefox and Palemoon to decide which one is better.

My very personal view is that this is an ideal time (especially) for Firefox Users to be supporting the direction that Pale Moon is taking — the best way to do that would be to join their Development program.

Pale Moon might be headed for disaster — or hopefully, they might lay claim to the most insurgent browser (fingers crossed.)

The reason for making this ominous statement is an awareness that all in not hunky-dory with Pale Moon just as all is not gonna remain a cakewalk, with Firefox — Mozilla is walking Firefox in the direction where the faint-hearted would be ill-advised to take.

Let me know if you seek a demonstration of . . . . . . . that direction. 8)

[straycat19]

The primary point to keep in mind is that all browsers based upon one of the major browsers (firefox or chrome) will always lag behind on security fixes/updates, sometimes for months. Though they might add some functionality that people want, their development cycle is definitely lagging behind the browser they are based on.

[steven36]

The primary point to keep in mind is that all browsers based upon one of the major browsers (firefox or chrome) will always lag behind on security fixes/updates, sometimes for months. Though they might add some functionality that people want, their development cycle is definitely lagging behind the browser they are based on.

Not really, the browser i use Cyberfox is very well maintained they do beta versions based on the beta version of Firefox and the stable of the next version is always out the night after FF release . Palemoon made its choice to stay behind and then fork away from Firefox new ESR.

CyberFox has had stable releases for along time of x64 they also have x86 and the releases are based on you're processors . Plus they give you more privacy features . Its worth to wait about 12 hours to update to not have to keep reversing everything . when I tested CyberFox 40 beta I didn't go no signed add on warning at all. :lol:

[steven36]

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No one has to prove nothing every time I look at the marketshare it proves it to me
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​Only one ranks above the other browser were palemoon falls in. is IE 11.. 23% percent of the marketshare belongs to other browsers that means there's a heck of a lot people not using the main stream ones at all.
​At the rate Firefox is going and old version of it may have more marketshare value than a new one one day :)
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​If you was trading stocks you sure would not want put you're money on Firefox
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https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2&qpcustomd=0

My dear friend, it's browser battle, not stock market. Look IE is all over the place even the v8. This is not because IE is the best browser but the cause is, most of the people wants to remain orthodox. They uses what comes with their systems. The may not even know that there are other thing that could be used to browse the Internet in better way. Market share tells just how much of the dumb and lazy people are crawling over the Internet, not which one is the best browser.

They dont do much better when its userdata instead of market share . The marketshare is what gives them money to keep making new versions .

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​Start counter watches user agents of millions of people and Firefox has been lagging behind IE for a very long times this is for the last 12 months . They may catch up if pat the crowd switches to EDGE. but that's yet to be seen. Also many of us who use Palemoon and CF we change user agents to FF or Chrome so not 100 % right

http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-browser-ww-monthly-201407-201507

​Mine is set to chrome windows 8.1 Im using CF 39 windows 10 .

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[anakin206]

Guys, just use Adblock Latitude.