humble3d Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 A US Senator admits she doesn’t believe in free speech In a television interview Senator Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin) insisted that the first amendment does not apply to individuals, and that the government thus has the right to limit both their speech and religious freedoms. Her position is that the first amendment only protects institutions. This despite the clear wording of the amendment itself, which simply says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.I don’t see any distinction made between institutions or individuals. Moreover, the courts have repeatedly ruled that these freedoms apply to everyone, individuals, institutions, everyone. Someone with even the slightest knowledge of history, both American, British, and that of all of western civilization, should also know that the battle for liberty of conscience was a battle to expressly give individuals that freedom, not institutions. Interestingly, the article notes that in another context Baldwin has also said that she doesn’t believe it right that the first amendment protects institutions. She was part of the Democratic Party effort in the Senate in 2013 to repeal the first amendment to allow Congress the right to limit the speech of corporations. So, to sum up, she thinks individuals aren’t given first amendment rights by the first amendment, and that the institutions that do should be denied those first amendment right as well. Sadly, her position appears to becoming more popular both with Democratic elected officials as well as the public that votes for them. http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/a-democratic-senator-admits-she-doesnt-believe-in-free-speech/http://mediatrackers.org/wisconsin/2015/07/02/sen-baldwin,houldnt-extend-far-beyond-institutions-of-faith/ http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2015/06/30/sen-tammy-baldwin-freedom-religion-institutions-faith-%E2%80%94-period#sthash.vdCRPTJf.dpuf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballistic Gelatin Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 What!? A Democrat that doesn't believe in free speech? You don't say!? ;)She must be eating too much moldy Wisconsin cheese . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CODYQX4 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Government today believes anything that isn't chains and shackles is evil, and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 someone has just taken the first step to 1930's fascism...the even scarier thing is...she will have people following her now.... thinking she is right....and wanting in on the ground floor on her rise to poweredit...however...someone please tell the donald trump to shut the F up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CODYQX4 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 someone has just taken the first step to 1930's fascism...the even scarier thing is...she will have people following her now.... thinking she is right....and wanting in on the ground floor on her rise to poweredit...however...someone please tell the donald trump to shut the F upFirst step? It's been a long time coming all around the world, sadly.They just like to hide it in the form of things like "Political Correctness" as opposed to a gun to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballistic Gelatin Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 someone has just taken the first step to 1930's fascism...the even scarier thing is...she will have people following her now.... thinking she is right....and wanting in on the ground floor on her rise to poweredit...however...someone please tell the donald trump to shut the F upI'm a little confused by your post.You criticize the senator for her stance against free speech. Yet, you want Donald Trump to shut up.Sorry, you can't have it both ways. I'd rather have to listen to that ignoramus Trump spout off 24/7 if only because he has the constitutional right to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 someone has just taken the first step to 1930's fascism...the even scarier thing is...she will have people following her now.... thinking she is right....and wanting in on the ground floor on her rise to poweredit...however...someone please tell the donald trump to shut the F upI'm a little confused by your post.You criticize the senator for her stance against free speech. Yet, you want Donald Trump to shut up.Sorry, you can't have it both ways. I'd rather have to listen to that ignoramus Trump spout off 24/7 if only because he has the constitutional right to do so.telling someone to shut is is far different from making them shut up...and i am firm believer in allowing anyone to speak their mind...especially when it makes them look like a buffoon like trump is doing;;;it would a be very sad commentary on the state of America if Donald Trump was elected ...can you imagine his comments on world events at critical times... Trump is well on his way to making Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sound almost tame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballistic Gelatin Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 ^^^If elected, Trump could easily start World War III within 24 hours of taking the oath of office.Don't worry: the American electorate isn't THAT stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash48 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 ^^^If elected, Trump could easily start World War III within 24 hours of taking the oath of office.Don't worry: the American electorate isn't THAT stupid.No it won't be Trump who starts WW3, it will be Iran. Trump will finish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 OK back to Senator Tammy Baldwin and this:In a television interview Senator Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin) insisted that the first amendment does not apply to individuals, and that the government thus has the right to limit both their speech and religious freedoms. Her position is that the first amendment only protects institutions.This woman obviously needs a good bitch-slapping...and then put into an institution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 OK back to Senator Tammy Baldwin and this:In a television interview Senator Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin) insisted that the first amendment does not apply to individuals, and that the government thus has the right to limit both their speech and religious freedoms. Her position is that the first amendment only protects institutions.This woman obviously needs a good bitch-slapping...and then put into an institution!she must also want to be a rebublican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CODYQX4 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 ^^^If elected, Trump could easily start World War III within 24 hours of taking the oath of office.Don't worry: the American electorate isn't THAT stupid.It's him, another Clinton, or another Bush. We're royally fucked any way you slice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamslider Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Can't we just try Bernie instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballistic Gelatin Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Can't we just try Bernie instead?If you don't mind handing over 90% of your income to the government as he proposes, sure, why not? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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