Could we condemn criminals to suffer for hundreds of years ?

[humble3d]

Could we condemn criminals to suffer for hundreds of years ??

vengeance v. justice :rolleyes:

Biotechnology could let us extend convicts' lives 'indefinitely'
This is the scenario being explored by researchers at Oxford University
They claim life extension tech could mean prisoners serve longer sentences
Philosopher Dr Rebecca Roache also writes in her blog that a time distortion pill could make people feel like they were in prison longer
Another scenario the group looked at was uploading mind to a digital realm
Running it a million times faster than normal would enable the uploaded criminal to serve a 1,000 year sentence in eight-and-a-half hours

Sentencing a criminal to 1,000 years in an artificial hell may one day become a reality.

At least, that is the claim of scientists at Oxford University who have been exploring controversial technologies that could extend human life.

They say billions are being invested in techniques that could mean the cruellest criminals will be kept alive indefinitely in condition befitting their crime.

Last year, a team of scientists led by Rebecca Roache began exploring technologies that could keep prisoners in an artificial hell


According to their research, prison firms could also develop drugs that make time pass slowly, making an inmate’s sentence feel like an eternity.

Last year, a team of scientists led by Rebecca Roache began exploring technologies that could keep prisoners in an artificial hell.

‘Some crimes are so bad they require a really long period of punishment, and a lot of people seem to get out of that punishment by dying,’ Dr Roache told Ross Andersen in Aeon magazine.

Dr Roache highlights what she describes as the ‘laughably inadequate’ sentence of 30 years in prison for Magdelena Luczak and Mariusz Krezolek.

The pair were convicted of murdering Luczak's four year-old son, Daniel, who was beaten, starved and tortured before his death.

On her Practical Ethics blog, Dr Roache notes that Luczak and Krezolek will receive the humane treatment that Daniel never did.

‘They will, for example, be fed and watered, housed in clean cells, allowed access to a toilet and washing facilities, allowed out of their cells for exercise and recreation,’ she writes.

Turning to human engineering as a possible solutions, Dr Roache looks at the idea of life span enhancements so that a life sentence in prison could last hundreds of years.

‘Dr Aubrey de Grey, co-founder of the anti-ageing Sens research foundation, believes that the first person to live to 1,000 years has already been born,’ she said.

‘The benefits of such radical lifespan enhancement are obvious - but it could also be harnessed to increase the severity of punishments’

As well as extending life, Dr Roache noted that there are a number of psychoactive drugs that distort people’s sense of time.

She said that society might not be far off developing a pill that could make someone feel like they were serving a 1,000-year sentence.

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Turning to human engineering as a possible solutions, Dr Roache looks at the idea of life span enhancements so that a life sentence in prison can last hundreds of years. The technology could be used on the most serious crimes, such as those committed by Adolf Hitler


‘Of course, there is a widely held view that any amount of tinkering with a person’s brain is unacceptably invasive,’ she said. ‘But you might not need to interfere with the brain directly.’

Time distortion, for instance, is already a technique used in interrogation, where people are exposed to constant light, or unusual light changes, so that they can’t tell what time of day it is.

Another scenario being explored by the group is uploading the criminal's mind to a digital realm to speed up the 1,000 year sentence.

‘As the technology required to scan and map human brain processes improves, some believe it will one day be possible to upload human minds on to computers,’ Dr Roache said.

This means that with sufficient computer power, it would be possible to speed up the rate at which an uploaded mind runs.


Prison firms could also soon develop drugs that make time pass slowly, making an inmate¿s sentence feel like an eternity


Similarly, uploading the mind of a convicted criminal and running it a million times faster than normal would enable the uploaded criminal to serve a 1,000 year sentence in eight-and-a-half hours.

‘This would, obviously, be much cheaper for the taxpayer than extending criminals’ lifespans to enable them to serve 1,000 years in real time,’ said Dr Roache.

If these technologies are developed, one crime that could ever justify eternal imprisonment was something that would endanger mankind.

‘Suppose there was some physics experiment that stood a decent chance of generating a black hole that could destroy the planet and all future generations,’ said Dr Roache.

'If someone deliberately set up an experiment like that, I could see that being the kind of supercrime that would justify an eternal sentence.’

_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2580828/Could-soon-create-hell-EARTH-Biotechnology-let-extend-criminals-lives-makes-suffering-HUNDREDS-years.html

[Ballistic Gelatin]

The drunken moron that mowed through the crowd at SXSW in Austin, Texas (killing 2 and injuring 23) gets my vote as the first test subject for this experiment. He is charged with one count of capital murder, punishable by death. Additional charges may be forthcoming.

[ffi]

I live in the Netherlands anyway, here murderers are convicted to like hard 240 hours of community service anyway, there no way a pill or upload to digital hell could beat that.

Edited March 15, 2014 by ffi

[dMog]

the basic problem with crime and punishment...we as citizens really do not understand the the way criminals think... law abiding citizens do NOT need laws to make them behave..we know it is inherently wrong to murder rob steal and cheat or do anything else that will mete out punishments... criminals on the other hand have no rerguard for laws and punishments and there will always be a certain segment that will not care what chances of getting caught are or care what the punishment would be...they will just do what they want and try to not get caught and if they get caught they really do not care

edit...and to top it off if you make the punishment so severe they do not want to pay the price...they kill anyone trying trying to arrest them...proof...Any american state that has the so called three strike laws and you serve an extremely long time in prison.... extremely violent criminals when they know the third time down will send them away so they actually do try to kill the arresting officers to get away

Edited March 15, 2014 by dMog

[jtmulc]

‘Some crimes are so bad they require a really long period of punishment, and a lot of people seem to get out of that punishment by dying,’ Dr Roache told Ross Andersen in Aeon magazine.

Dr Roache highlights what she describes as the ‘laughably inadequate’ sentence of 30 years in prison for Magdelena Luczak and Mariusz Krezolek.

The pair were convicted of murdering Luczak's four year-old son, Daniel, who was beaten, starved and tortured before his death.

On her Practical Ethics blog, Dr Roache notes that Luczak and Krezolek will receive the humane treatment that Daniel never did.

‘They will, for example, be fed and watered, housed in clean cells, allowed access to a toilet and washing facilities, allowed out of their cells for exercise and recreation,’ she writes.

They are going to get food and water? Where are my pearls to clutch? Where is my fainting couch?

This isn't about justice, this is about satisfying someone's petty need for revenge and blood. Yes, prisoners regularly do not suffer as much as their victims and receive humane treatment. That's why they are in prison and we are not. We as a society are supposed to be better than the people we incarcerate. In the U.S., the 8th Amendment protects against "cruel and unusual punishment". In Furman v. Georgia, 408 U.S. 238 (1972), Justice Brennan wrote, "There are, then, four principles by which we may determine whether a particular punishment is 'cruel and unusual'."

• The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
• "A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion."
• "A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society."
• "A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary." (source: Wikipedia)

What purpose would this proposal serve aside from some people's bloodlust? In the case mentioned in the article, 30 years in prison is a long damn time. It's most of my life. Prison time is no cakewalk, either. I know you see "news" programs asking "OMG! Why do prisoners get cable TV and XBoxes?" (ans: because it's cheaper and easier than dealing with riots every week), but you notice nobody's lining up at the State Pen asking for their free TV and XBox. Prison time is hard.

[jtmulc]

Any american state that has the so called three strike laws and you serve an extremely long time in prison.... extremely violent criminals when they know the third time down will send them away so they actually do try to kill the arresting officers to get away

And you end up with guys doing a life term for stealing a Twinkie.

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[dMog]

crime and punishment in every country has some bizarre stuff

[SnakeMasteR]

Yeah, completely right, don't touch other peoples brains, not even indirectly. Just imagine, a killer kills someone and the handful of seconds takes several years, you probably would fulfill a killers life with a single pill, the more sadistic way would be to give the pill to the victim, i don't wanna explain any further. There will always be people that will abuse it.

[ffi]

crime and punishment in every country has some bizarre stuff

I like the american system it sounds more fair than the dutch system, I could name some examples for instance when 2 robbers fled away on a scooter and hit a man who was killed both robbers pointed to each other as being the driver and because it couldn't be determined with certainty why was the driver no one was convicted for killing this man or another case where a bikers gang (a subsidiary of the hell's angels) killed 2 guys, 12 guys where present they all denied and no one could be identified as the killers, so again all were acquitted instead like in a civilized country like the US where everyone would have been convicted of murder....

it keeps criminals locked up safely for a long time. The justice system should be about revenge, retribution and locking criminals away for as long as possible

[dMog]

i live in Canada and i see hard core crime go either totally unpunished or such a light punishment it is a wonder the convicted do not laugh on the way to jail...any countries justice system does not always get it correct but it far better than resorting tho the brutality suggested in this original post.... I have a close family member that was murdered by an ex boyfriend...he beat her up badly then stabbed her 37 times...she took 3 days to die in hospital and the judge and the system allowed his lawyer to plead this down to an assault causing death. or some other way less crime than an actual murder...the reason...it was a domestic dispute that went a bit too far... the murder had been kicked out of the relationship got 6 months and was stalking her she called the cops on him after he broke into her house...left when the cops told him but came back 2 minutes after they left the scene and his victim made the mistake of punching him in the head and throwing a frying pan at him ...he walked 12 blocks to convenience store at 2AM stood in line for 15 minutes to buy a knife walked back kicked in then front door beat her senseless then stabbed her that many times,,,he got 20 years but was out on parole for good behavior in 15...so i sort of know what i am talking about

edit...justice should never be about revenge but it should also have the common sense to realize some crimes need have a punishment that the criminal never ever regains freedom as they cannot be rehabilitated... child sex offenders for one... almost every single one of them re-offends once released...not mention murder crimes

Edited March 16, 2014 by dMog

[dMog]

The drunken moron that mowed through the crowd at SXSW in Austin, Texas (killing 2 and injuring 23) gets my vote as the first test subject for this experiment. He is charged with one count of capital murder, punishable by death. Additional charges may be forthcoming.

i just do not understand why one would even contemplate to mess with the law in Texas...i mean they shoot jaywalkers down there don't they :lol: not kill them just shoot em

Edited March 16, 2014 by dMog

[ffi]

i live in Canada and i see hard core crime go either totally unpunished or such a light punishment it is a wonder the convicted do not laugh on the way to jail...any countries justice system does not always get it correct but it far better than resorting tho the brutality suggested in this original post....

A couple of years ago some economist won the Noble prize for economics because he found a relations between crimes, the benefit for the criminal, the chance of being convicted and the severity of punishment, so if you want crime to go down you make the punishment more severe and the chances of getting a though sentence higher. In the Netherlands judges are appointed for life, so no matter how they ease up on criminals there is no way to get rid of them, at least in the use judges are elected so they must make fair sentences. Dutch judges empathize way too much with the criminals and not enough with the victims, their sentences also lack any logic, for instance if someone had a bad childhood or acted on a whim or had a blackout these should all be reasons to punish a criminal even harder because these people either have some loose wires or never had them properly connected and they need a very very long time in jail to overthink their crimes and just keep them safely of the streets but in the Netherlands these are seriously all reasons for judges to go easy on someone and give them a mild sentence.

[jtmulc]

crime and punishment in every country has some bizarre stuff

I don't know other countries' legal systems, but in the U.S., you have an entire industry of privately run prisons who in turn hire lobbyists who push for stronger and longer sentences which results in more prisons.

Rural Representatives love having a prison in their district because they count as living there for Census figures (which determine voting districts and how much tax money is spent there) but you don't have to do anything for them because felons can't vote.

[ffi]

These statistics are meaningless, in the Netherlands criminals get ridiculously low sentences, if they are convicted for multiple crimes the do the punishment in parallel not serial (so only in effect they are only punished for the crime with the highest sentence), they automatically get 1/3 reduction for good behaviour and that's just if they are convicted to jail at all (read above for some mind boggling lack of logic from judges in actual dutch cases) and not just get away with some community service or house arrest