Ambrocious Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 A potential US strike on Syria is fraught with dangerous consequencesVladimir PutinSeptember 12, 2013MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.Image: Wikimedia CommonsNo one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.This article was posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 at 6:28 am Source: Infowars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 putin is doing the right thing BUT...for the wrong reason..he wants to again be a major influence int he area.. not one word on how Putin has manipulated the democratic process in Russia since he was the leader than had to step down as to the new constitution in that country then had his puppet elected then was re-elected after that..nor any word when he had political adversaries arrested or harassed over the years...or more recent developments... pretty much passed a law that makes being gay in his country illegally... now if this man is not dictator and repressive i do not know who would be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xanax Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) putin is doing the right thing BUT...for the wrong reason..he wants to again be a major influence int he area.. not one word on how Putin has manipulated the democratic process in Russia since he was the leader than had to step down as to the new constitution in that country then had his puppet elected then was re-elected after that..nor any word when he had political adversaries arrested or harassed over the years...or more recent developments... pretty much passed a law that makes being gay in his country illegally... now if this man is not dictator and repressive i do not know who would belol, dictator :Dread this :D Edited September 13, 2013 by Lite Link removed - malware on website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylemessiah Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) As usual Ambrocious using alaarmist and misrepresentative titles "Putin’s Emergency Warning to America"Nowhere in there is there a "warning to america"Putin is merely trying to, and quite opposite to what Ambrociosu claims, very diplomatically asking America to use the United Nations as it was designed and return legitimacy to it, instead of acting unilaterally. I thought it was quite a good and well thought out letter. As for Putins own domestic politics are concerned, that is a cause for worry, ill grant anyone that. Edited September 13, 2013 by Lite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambrocious Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) As usual Ambrocious using alaarmist and misrepresentative titles "Putin’s Emergency Warning to America"Nowhere in there is there a "warning to america"Putin is merely trying to, and quite opposite to what Ambrociosu claims, very diplomatically asking America to use the United Nations as it was designed and return legitimacy to it, instead of acting unilaterally. I thought it was quite a good and well thought out letter. As for Putins own domestic politics are concerned, that is a cause for worry, ill grant anyone that.If my posts hurt you so badly, don't read them. Edited September 13, 2013 by Lite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamslider Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 LOL....Putin will do absolutely NOTHING.....even you know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambrocious Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 LOL....Putin will do absolutely NOTHING.....even you know that.Not too many years ago the country of Georgia began to attack a part of Russia. Russia responded by deploying armed nukes and was prepared to fire. Georgia backed off. Perhaps you don't understand just how serious Russia is, and what they are willing to do to become the new world super power. Obama is in check by Putin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamslider Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Georgia is not the USA....Putin will do nothing....You know it.Obama don't give a squat about Putin.....LOLHe has not and WILL not threaten the US with nukes....He is not that stupid. Edited September 13, 2013 by Beamslider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 would just like him to comment on why he never says putin and his laws and policy are not totalitarian and to say the least, harsh and draconian if not outright attempts to circumvent democracy on his own people and why he never points out the "bad things" done in russian on putins orders... Putin is actually doing what ambro accuses the USA of doing and he says nothing about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 lol, dictator :Dread this :Dhttp://ellhn.e-e-e.gr/books/assets/the_pink_swastika.pdfthe link to this site was stopped by my browser as it had malware on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndoe Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) lol, dictator :Dread this :Dthe link to this site was stopped by my browser as it had malware on itsame here, chrome gave a warning. i went ahead and took the risk and downloaded anyways. it's a .PDF about homosexuality in Nazis. dunno how that's at all relevant to this topic. anyways, i can upload somewhere for you if you want, don't see the point though... Edited September 13, 2013 by Lite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndoe Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 on topic, apparently china and russia are both intent on keeping US out of syria purely for business reasons. russia has supported syria openly and completely because it has a foothold in syria i.e., the only Russian military base outside of Russia. It's obvious it wouldn't want US presence in the area :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertLoner Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 A potential US strike on Syria is fraught with dangerous consequencesVladimir PutinSeptember 12, 2013MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.Image: Wikimedia CommonsNo one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.This article was posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 at 6:28 am Source: Infowarshttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-12/assad-lays-down-his-conditions-deal-depends-us-stopping-aid-terroristskeep up the good work friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ande Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I have nothing but respect and admiration for Mr. Putin.He is the one responsible for rise of Russia from the ashes of USSR.Unlike US presidents he isn't puppet and he's not afraid to say what he think.He is representation of Russian mentality and majority of Russians will always be his loyal voters.The biggest oppressor today is the US.They will make any justification in order to pursue their goals,they really don't care about human suffering and innocent victims,they caused 1,033,000 deaths only in Iraq,they did nothing to stop massacre and starvation in Africa,they were and are in great relations with many oppressors around the world as long as they share the same goal.If we are gonna talk about election irregularity lets first look at the US election fraud. -Link1 -Link2Also 90% of the US media is owned by 6 corporations, able to indoctrinate and manipulate 313 millions potential US voters, true freedom of speech.The West accuse Russia for totalitarian laws and actions, but lets take a look:Europe, USA and Vatican were all involved and profited from slave trade, capturing free people from Africa and transferring them to Europe, USA and South America.Romanus Pontifex (January 5, 1455):“We weighing all and singular the premises with due meditation, and noting that since we had formerly by other letters of ours granted among other things free and ample faculty to the aforesaid King Alfonso -- to invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens and pagans whatsoever, and other enemies of Christ wheresoever placed, and the kingdoms, dukedoms, principalities, dominions, possessions, and all movable and immovable goods whatsoever held and possessed by them and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery, and to apply and appropriate to himself and his successors the kingdoms, dukedoms, counties, principalities, dominions, possessions, and goods, and to convert them to his and their use and profit…”Only recorded police brutality in USA from wiki will be enough. What happen when unarmed people, tax payers, citizens, gather in order to provide food for homeless people in park, or what happen when unarmed group of tax payers gather in peaceful protests against Wall Street, and many many more peaceful anti-government, anti-corporations, gatherings?Mentality of the West is the one capable of creating 200,000 victims in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when Japan was already on the threshold of capitulation, same mentality created Britain Empire, Napoleon, Bismarck, Hitler and Pax Americana which caused and cause destruction, desolation and so many death all over the Earth.What did The West do to stop Rwanda Genocide (over 500,000 slaughtered) or War in Darfur (178,258–461,520 death) - they did absolutely nothing...My Q is how hypocritical can you possibly be when you are the cause for so many suffering today?Many so called Human Rights organizations are created and funded by governments and big corporations,and they work in their best interest. They protect their investors.Their second goal is to discredit governments, companies and leaders, who oppose their agenda. Few examples when so called Human Rights organizations fail to do anything useful,further more they allow corporations to grab even more national wealth and increase population poverty:Fifteen village councils here have asked the CGWA and the UPPCB to reject Coca-Cola’s application for expansion. Coca-Cola had applied to the CGWA and the UPPCB to increase its groundwater usage from the current 50,000 cubic metres annually to 2,50,000 cubic metres for its bottling plant in Mehdiganj.Pointing out that since Coca-Cola started its bottling operations there in 1999, groundwater resources had fallen sharply — dropping 7.9 metres (26 feet) — the panchayats said the company should halt its current ground water extraction as well.The panchayats also noted the negative impact the ‘over-extraction’ by the bottling plant was having on the area’s groundwater resources, making access to drinking and farming water difficult for the community.Since hand pumps, wells, bore wells and ponds in the area have dried up, the government had to declare the area’s groundwater resources as critical. Moreover, due to the water scarcity, the authorities have banned the installation of all new government hand pumps and bore wells. The affected villages are located within a five-kilometre radius of the bottling plant.They are Mehndiganj, Bhikaripur, Dholapur, Deora, Bhadrashi, Nagepur, Benipur, Kallipur, Chandapur, Kachariya, Monglavir, Bhabaniyav, Rakhona, Kundariya and Ganeshpur.“There is grave injustice taking place here as villages and farmers are left without water while Coca-Cola continues to mine groundwater, and that too for profit. Communities have primary rights over the use of groundwater, and we have decided that it is in the best interest of the communities to not allow Coca-Cola to expand, and also to put an end immediately to its current groundwater use,” Famous brands like Nike, the Coca-Cola Company, and many others all do this. Nike, for example use cheap labor in South East Asia, where they can get away from the tighter enforcement and regulations of USA and Europe. In fact, they have been exposed for using child labor, as well. Coca Cola for example, have been accused of intimidating workers around the world, even hiring (often indirectly, through intermediaries) paramilitaries to intimidate or kill union leaders.In May 1998 a panel of experts on international law condemned the violation of workers rights in the garments and sportswear industries; twelve witnesses from ten developing countries had testified on actual working conditions in the industry, pointing out seven leading transnationals: sportswear manufacturers Nike and Addidas, clothing traders H&M, Levi Strauss, C&A and Walt Disney, and the world’s biggest mail order company, Otto-Verstand.Harsh labor conditions in the toy industry for people in third world countries such as China have also led to much criticism, showing “hidden costs” to popular toys such as those based on Harry Potter, Star Wars, Pokemon, Barbie, etc.You have distorted the word humanity in order to create justification for your utterly illegal and immoral actions.You are disgrace for humans and history will judge you.Few facts about the US economy:National debt of the US is around 11.959 trillion or ~75% of GDP.Many economy experts, including Forbes and WSJ, state that decline of the US economy is inevitable.Every day and with every action national debit is increasing, since GDP is in stagnation, the US dollar devalued 95% since February 3rd, 1913, the day when Federal Reserve was created.The United States is ranked #14 in the world in GDP per capita.The US trade deficit with China is 315 billion dollars.Today, only about 12 million Americans are employed in manufacturing.The United States has lost more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities since 2001.The United States has lost a staggering 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000.The number of full-time workers in the United States is nearly 6 million below the old record that was set back in 2007.The U.S. economy lost more than 220,000 small businesses during the recent recession.In the year 2000, there were only 17 million Americans on food stamps. Today, there are more than 47 million Americans on food stamps.Back in the year 2000, the mortgage delinquency rate was about 2 percent. Today, it is nearly 10 percent.According to the Federal Reserve, the median net worth of families in the United States declined "from $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010".According to the New York Times, the average debt burden for U.S. households that earn $20,000 a year or less "more than doubled to $26,000 between 2001 and 2010".Today, more than a million public school students in the United States are homeless. This is the first time that has ever happened in our history. That number has risen by 57 percent since the 2006-2007 school year.It's very obvious the US is desperately struggling to keep their geopolitical and economical dominion.On the other hand Russia today is recovering their economy thanks to natural resources, such as oil and natural gas, and EU as their main consumer.To conclude:The US govt. will not take any direct steps towards Syria.Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 now that is something that i cannot argue with ande..your politics seem.. similar to mine.... i do temper it with a the fact that the average person in the usa supports many charities that actually do very good work (save lives also) all over the world and all with out the help and aid of ANY government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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