[Solved] Windows 8 problem

[AlienForce1]

The services are setted this way since I installed Win.8 (I didn`t change the configuration since then)

Is it this KB the culprit ?

[R0H1T]

The services are setted this way since I installed Win.8 (I didn`t change the configuration since then)

Is it this KB the culprit ?

Possibly, I also have this update installed but none of the Tiworker(/sfc) problems are there in my case.

So if you didn't have system maintenance turned ON at first then you should try the above code on an elevated cmd & restart the system, see how it goes then report back.

[AlienForce1]

Exit Shadow Mode -> reboot -> DISM /Online /cleanup-image /RestoreHealth ->

-> reboot

[Kalju]

I think You are on the wrong path. But with the Windows Modules Installer is indeed something wrong. Sorry if I'm wrong.

[R0H1T]

I think You are on the wrong path. But with the Windows Modules Installer is indeed something wrong. Sorry if I'm wrong.

Not really you see in his case its the Tiworker which is different from trusted installer(or windows module installer) & this distinction was introduced in win8, as can be seen above Tiworker initiates unwarranted /sfc or system file check hence the problem. It can be easily mixed up, all these system files & services but having worked with a bunch of'em since XP I know what could be the root cause for a given number of things on a PC.

[Kalju]

I can't say anything more, but I use Windows 8 since its inception, and have not seen this kind of problem. It can be assumed that some part is damaged and cannot start correctly. I do not think You can find it, and You can improve/ repair it.

[AlienForce1]

Well, absence of an AV is fine enough - I'd suspect Shadow Defender (it works continuously in the background.)

I'd try to monitor with a Process Manager over some more period of time (it could be spikes.)

The PC worked very fine till last week . All settings are the same .

Shadow Defender is setted to load on PC as min. as possible - I use write cache from RAM :

Is it a way to DISABLE `Automatic Maintenance` , once it finished done it`s job ?

[AlienForce1]

I think You are on the wrong path. But with the Windows Modules Installer is indeed something wrong. Sorry if I'm wrong.

I'm opened to suggestions :unsure:

[R0H1T]

I can't say anything more, but I use Windows 8 since its inception, and have not seen this kind of problem. It can be assumed that some part is damaged and cannot start correctly. I do not think You can find it, and You can improve/ repair it.

Did you not read the above comments for Microsoft update related issues ? I've been using win8 since almost 2yrs now, pre milestone stage, so I also know a thing or two about these issues & as I've said windows modules installer is different from Tiworker & there is a good reason for it, just to avoid confusion like this one I guess !

[AlienForce1]

I can't say anything more, but I use Windows 8 since its inception, and have not seen this kind of problem. It can be assumed that some part is damaged and cannot start correctly. I do not think You can find it, and You can improve/ repair it.

OK Master , enlighten me please !

[R0H1T]

I think You are on the wrong path. But with the Windows Modules Installer is indeed something wrong. Sorry if I'm wrong.

I'm opened to suggestions :unsure:

Did the cpu spikes go away or not ? If yes then you're fine else you can try to isolate the problem through disabling certain applications/tasks to see if it's solved or not.

[AlienForce1]

The CPU did go high again after a few time -> I started `Automatic Maintenance` and let it do it`s job -> now the PC it`s calm / quite .

How can I avoid starting `Automatic Maintenance` ? Can be disabled ?

(in the end it seems that this is the problem -> Shadow Defender restores the PC after reboot )

[AlienForce1]

[mazigh]

How can you update windows if it's frozen? If you are turning off shadow defender before, installing updates then go back to the frozen state you may have this issue if you went back to the frozen state quickly.. because sometimes windows keep installing the updates even after reboot.., sometimes it takes more than 2 minutes installing (after showing desktop) so it takes a lot of CPU power while installing, So I think you should go to unfrozen state keep windows running the scheduled task and process and restart again and see if the issue persist or not, hope this may help =)

[Reefa]

The CPU did go high again after a few time -> I started `Automatic Maintenance` and let it do it`s job -> now the PC it`s calm / quite .

How can I avoid starting `Automatic Maintenance` ? Can be disabled ?

(in the end it seems that this is the problem -> Shadow Defender restores the PC after reboot )

yes via control panel/action centre

and to be honest its not needed anyway.just do it yourself

[AlienForce1]

How can you update windows if it's frozen? If you are turning off shadow defender before, installing updates then go back to the frozen state you may have this issue if you went back to the frozen state quickly.. because sometimes windows keep installing the updates even after reboot.., sometimes it takes more than 2 minutes installing (after showing desktop) so it takes a lot of CPU power while installing, So I think you should go to unfrozen state keep windows running the scheduled task and process and restart again and see if the issue persist or not, hope this may help =)

Obviously , Windows updates are made AFTER exiting Shadow Mode -> I re-enable Shadow Mode after Windows updates at ~ 1/2 hour later .

Switches between Shadow Mode - or Normal Mode are made by scheduling on boot , not on demand , just to avoid this kind of problems you mention .

[Reefa]

I use Shadow Defender on that PC

Shadow Defender is a specialist tool - what's your reason for using it? :think:

very true.you are better off with a good av a fw.shadow defender is not set and forget.

[Reefa]

How can you update windows if it's frozen? If you are turning off shadow defender before, installing updates then go back to the frozen state you may have this issue if you went back to the frozen state quickly.. because sometimes windows keep installing the updates even after reboot.., sometimes it takes more than 2 minutes installing (after showing desktop) so it takes a lot of CPU power while installing, So I think you should go to unfrozen state keep windows running the scheduled task and process and restart again and see if the issue persist or not, hope this may help =)

Obviously , Windows updates are made AFTER exiting Shadow Mode -> I re-enable Shadow Mode after Windows updates at ~ 1/2 hour later .

Switches between Shadow Mode - or Normal Mode are made by scheduling on boot , not on demand , just to avoid this kind of problems you mention .

ok well gl m8.glad u sorted it anyway :)

[AlienForce1]

I use Shadow Defender on that PC

Shadow Defender is a specialist tool - what's your reason for using it? :think:

very true.you are better off with a good av a fw.shadow defender is not set and forget.

Untill last week the PC was ok - it seems that the problem appeared after the Windows updates , nothing to do with Shadow Defender .

[mazigh]

OK!, So I think you can use 'process lasso' to disallow the process causing CPU issues, I guess it's the simplest way =)

[Reefa]

The CPU did go high again after a few time -> I started `Automatic Maintenance` and let it do it`s job -> now the PC it`s calm / quite .

How can I avoid starting `Automatic Maintenance` ? Can be disabled ?

(in the end it seems that this is the problem -> Shadow Defender restores the PC after reboot )

but you have just said> (in the end it seems that this is the problem -> Shadow Defender restores the PC after reboot )didnt you no that..

are you all ok now?

[AlienForce1]

No . Untill last week I even didn`t shut down the PC because it was going to sleep after a while it was not used .

Now , at the time I`m writing here , the PC makes a lot of noise , CPU is at ~ 60% ... , I`ll have to shut it down .

( in case you want to know -> PC = DELL Optiplex GX280 SFF , CPU Pentium 4 , 2.8GHz with hyperthreading , 2GB RAM DDR2 , 160GB HDD )

[Reefa]

No . Untill last week I even didn`t shut down the PC because it was going to sleep after a while it was not used .

Now , at the time I`m writing here , the PC makes a lot of noise , CPU is at ~ 60% ... , I`ll have to shut it down .

( in case you want to know -> PC = DELL Optiplex GX280 SFF , CPU Pentium 4 , 2.8GHz with hyperthreading , 2GB RAM DDR2 , 160GB HDD

dude i have to say im stumped.are you sure its not a hardware issue?

[Reefa]

No . Untill last week I even didn`t shut down the PC because it was going to sleep after a while it was not used .

Now , at the time I`m writing here , the PC makes a lot of noise , CPU is at ~ 60% ... , I`ll have to shut it down .

( in case you want to know -> PC = DELL Optiplex GX280 SFF , CPU Pentium 4 , 2.8GHz with hyperthreading , 2GB RAM DDR2 , 160GB HDD

dude i have to say im stumped.are you sure its not a hardware issue?

do a reinstall via this great tut.http://www.nsaneforums.com/topic/159972-how-to-hack-the-windows-8-iso/#entry539276his will help you bypass the ridiculous activate screen

thx to dcs.and i think respect goes back further.just quote me if im wrong :mellow:

[stylemessiah]

PC = DELL Optiplex GX280 SFF , CPU Pentium 4 , 2.8GHz with hyperthreading , 2GB RAM DDR2 , 160GB HDD

Would i put Windows 8 on a P4?

No (i wouldnt put it on anything, but thats besides the point)

I'd be cautious for driver support, number 1

Add to that Shadow Defender, where possibly its use (or misuse) may leave the PC, to windows maintenance, in an inconsistent state

Windows 8, hmm seen many odd things and stupid "features" bring people undone...like recently, where a user who was on a wireless broadband dongle wasnt getting windows updates.

Why? well if youre on a wireless broadband dongle, windows 8 (trying to be helpful, but not actually being) counts this as a metered connection. If it flags your connection as metered (automatic updates is shown to be on, but a message similar to "these files will be downloaded when not on a metered connection, shows under Windows Update gui), it wont download what it considers non-critical updates. But Microsoft says it will still download critical ones. Except that wasnt happening. She was getting no updates. A bit of searching MS showed a KB that said to simply switch off the unmetered setting on the network adapter, which doesnt work since wireless broadband dongles dont present themselves to Windows 8 as true network connections, so you cant right click on the network connection and switch off unmetered. Finally found that other sections of the charms settings have unmetered toggles (like the Sync settings), where i toggled it off to find this, luckily, had a global unmetered disabling effect, which then re-enabled windows updates as per a sane OS like windows 7. Then i coaxed windows update into action...only to find that the download catalogue had been corrupted, i.e. it wouldnt update - one of thsoe nice hex update errors. after doing what i normally do when i see one of those - stop the windows update service and delete the contents of the SoftwareDistribution folder, and restart the windows update service, it finally began updating.

Yep, windows 8 is progress......