What Does It Mean that Residents in All 50 States Have Filed Petitions to Secede?

[Ambrocious]

washingtonsblog.com

November 15, 2012

Secession: Exploding Movement, Tempest In a Teapot … Or Something Else?

A lot of attention is being given to the fact that residents in all 50 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States.

Daily Caller reports:

By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a Daily Caller analysis of requests lodged with the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.

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Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals. (RELATED: Will Texas secede? Petition triggers White House review)

The Texas petition leads all others by a wide margin.

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States whose active petitions have not yet reached the 25,000 signature threshold include Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

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Fourteen states are represented by at least two competing petitions. The extra efforts from two states — Missouri and South Carolina — would add enough petitions to warrant reviews by the Obama administration if they were combined into petitions launched earlier.

Other states with multiple efforts include Alaska, California, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.

As Google notes, web searches for the term “secession” are being run in a number of states:

Conservatives – such as

and Ron Paul - say that the states have the right to secede. And Texas governor Rick Perry said that Texas has a right to secede (although he counsels against it at the current time).

On the other hand, most liberals say that the Civil War ended the state’s right to secede. Huffington Post is covering the wave of secession petitions … to ridicule them.

Daily Kos suggests that “secessionists can secede by renouncing their citizenship“.

As the Daily Caller notes, liberals have launched their own counter-petitions:

In a … nose-thumbing aimed at Texas’ conservative majority, progressives from the liberal state capital of Austin responded Monday with a petition to secede from their state if Texas as a whole should decide to leave the Union.

Late Tuesday a second group of Texans, this one from Houston, lodged their own White House petition. Secession-minded Texans, they wrote, “are mentally deficient and [we] do not want them representing us. We would like more education in our state to eradicate their disease.”

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A group from El Paso, too, wants no part of an independent Texas. “Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas,” their petition reads. “El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.”

Yahoo News argues that the petitions are meaningless:

The petitions are little more than symbolic—and nothing new. Similar petitions were filed after the 2004 and 2008 elections.

Libertarian website Lew Rockwell argues in a piece by Ryan McMaken that nothing will come of the current secession attempts, but that the principle is important:

I have no illusions about this latest secession petition phenomenon. Nothing will directly come of this, and the people who are behind it are mostly people who would be singing “God Bless America” at the tops of their lungs had Mitt Romney been elected. On the other hand, it sure has a lot of people talking about secession, which shows that the idea of it remains an important part of the American political consciousness.

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The Declaration makes a simple argument:

• Humans have rights from the Creator.
• Governments exist to secure those rights (a debatable assertion but we’ll roll with it).
• When the government fails to secure those rights, we can ditch it and start our own government.

That’s pretty much all it says. If you thought that was true in 1776, when tax rates were 1% and there was no such thing as a the EPA or the FBI or the IRS, why is it not true now? Because we’re so much more free now? And, no, the Declaration did not say that the government is free to violate rights as long as people get to vote on it.

The Declaration establishes that there’s no such thing as treason, and a free government requires the assumption of just secession. Lysander Spooner explains[:]

Thus the whole Revolution [of 1775–1783] turned upon, asserted, and, in theory, established, the right of each and every man, at his discretion, to release himself from the support of the government under which he had lived. And this principle was asserted, not as a right peculiar to themselves, or to that time, or as applicable only to the government then existing; but as a universal right of all men, at all times, and under all circumstances.

Ron Paul says that states have the right so secede … and predicts they will do so when the dollar collapses:

My take has been the same for many years … I believe that America – like the Soviet Union – may break up when corruption and tyranny lead to the break down of basic systems.

And see this and this.

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[Ambrocious]

Well guys........looks like a great civil war is happening right now! The fighting has not yet started but if these are all pushed threw, I may never talk with any fine gentlemen here on nsanedown again. This may not fully get done for another year or so but when it does, a civil war will probably begin unless Obama does something amazing for the true good. All of our means of communication may very well be shut off during this time period. As in the ending of the hit film TITANIC, it has been an honor and a privilege being a member of nsanedown.

As the founding fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

"...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..."

[bwop]

Potential secessionists are playing right into the hands of the government.

[Ambrocious]

Potential secessionists are playing right into the hands of the government.

That's why I'm not throwing my vote in there. I don't want a bloody battle, but instead I want a peaceful fight.

[nIGHT]

I am sad to hear this kind of news.

A whole country breaking up into pieces is like a family torn down by divorce.

Americans fighting against their own american brothers.

The world looks up at you as one of the model country living a modern civilization,

wherein most things are resolved by diplomacy, fairness and equality (by law), and civility.

The last US civil war was very violent and destructive.

Abraham Lincoln was fighting against vampires then.

So maybe this time there could be zombies?

I hope not, I am not ready to see that thing happening yet.

[jtmulc]

"What Does It Mean that Residents in All 50 States Have Filed Petitions to Secede?"

Answer: Absolutely nothing. There are over 314 million people in this country. Less than a tenth of a percent of them decided they didn't like the results of the election so they want to take their ball and go home. So what? More people believe the moon landings were faked and we don't pay any attention to them, either.

[Ambrocious]

"What Does It Mean that Residents in All 50 States Have Filed Petitions to Secede?"

Answer: Absolutely nothing. There are over 314 million people in this country. Less than a tenth of a percent of them decided they didn't like the results of the election so they want to take their ball and go home. So what? More people believe the moon landings were faked and we don't pay any attention to them, either.

Well this isn't the moon and there is nothing cute about the idea of seceding because of what harmful things could come of it. And as for the moon landing and the reason it looked faked is because the real pictures which were intended for the public were "doctored" (Photoshop wasn't around back then) and made to look like a baron place when in fact there was evidence of ancient structures there. Of course, THAT info is considered classified as of yet because it presents a world view challenge. If you will allow me to compare the inability to believe such things to aliens, I shall. Even Buzz Aldrin admits to some non naturally occurring structures on one of the moons of Mars, and there is direct video evidence of this, here, have a gander:

They try to paint him as if he is crazy but this idea of him being crazy is for the dumbed down public who are willfully deciding not to believe. In the end, closed minded people would wind up killing themselves due to a lack of ability to reason concerning new information which we have been drip fed dis-info for YEARS. Truth is stranger than fiction.

But of course, this information is so hard to believe because we have been taught that it can't be true (taught to laugh at stuff like this). If people can't realize that something big is about to happen maybe a few years down the road then they certainly will have one hell of a hard time hearing about the existence of aliens which the 6th man to walk on the moon Edgar Mitchell admits to:

If people cant believe in things unseen, they will be deceived about everything almost always.

[jtmulc]

I wish Reynolds Group Holdings wasn't a privately owned company. I think I'd like to invest.

[FreeRyde]

Perhaps they could form a new country with Quebec.

[The Shadow]

"them ugly cartoons on that stone-age pile of rock in central america mean the world is gonna explode on December 22, 2012" ..." the check is in the mail"..."the dog ate my homework"..."the abominable snowman ate the dog"..."my sister IS the abominable snowman"...... some people are loopy as a run over dog, and some people are delusional enough they want to believe what the tin-hats dream up and imagine even more goofy stuff to add to it. I gotta go - space aliens from next week are calling me on my toothbrush. :ganja: