Administrator DKT27 Posted July 10, 2012 Administrator Share Posted July 10, 2012 Mozilla's Jono DiCarlo has come out and said via a lengthy blog post that the rapid release cycle has "runied" Firefox, and driven fed-up users to Chrome with its dialog-free update mechanism Ex-Mozilla staffer Jono DiCarlo has posted a lengthy blog post that essentially slams Firefox's rapid release cycle, claiming not only that "everybody hates Firefox updates" but also that rapid releases have "ruined" Firefox and "killed [its] reputation". DiCarlo claims the main problems with the Firefox rapid release cycle are the number of dialog boxes and prompts that appear when an update is required, and that updates keep breaking extensions. DiCarlo has been asking people about the release cycle and he says "not one person has had anything good to say about the rapid release process." He goes on to say that Mozilla has handled the rapid release process poorly, and that by pushing a "never-ending stream of updates on people who didn't want them" people have been driven to Chrome with its simpler, no-fuss update process. Credit where it's due: the way Google handled Chrome updates was very, very smart. They recognized that updates are one of the hardest things to get right, so they solved that problem first, before releasing version 1. The first release of Chrome was little more than an empty box of a browser, but it was wrapped around an excellent updating system. This let them gradually transform that empty box into a full-featured browser, without the users ever realizing they were getting updates. The importance of updates bringing security updates, bug fixes and critical features is acknowledged by DiCarlo, but he laments the use of frequent updates to change the interface for no reason. By changing the interface every update, "your productivity will be lower than usual until you've spent a bunch of time learning a new interface"; time better spent on other things. Mozilla is working to address some of these issues - Firefox 15 will bring background, dialog-box-free updates like Chrome - but according to DiCarlo the damage has already been done: "People who got fed up and ditched Firefox are going to be hard to win back." The post has created quite a stir across the internet as people who originally slammed the rapid release cycle now have another platform to argue their case. What do the readers think? Is the rapid release cycle bad for Firefox? :view: View: Original Article PS. I don't mind. Infact, love them so much that I use Beta. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T4C Fantasy Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 firefox doesnt really have anything that chrome doesnt, chrome is definetly more html5 compliant, faster and has a bigger support group because its google... and build by open source community that is larger than firefox's, even maxthon is better than firefox lol, maxthon is better than chrome too the v20 chrome atleast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrElectrifyer Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Firefox rapid release updates sure is a bad move by Mozilla and don't think I'll ever bother using FlamingFox again.They blindly copied Google thinking that it's higher version numbers that attracted users to Chrome, not realizing that the Chrome updates never got in the way of productivity. In other words, they never required effort from the user to begin installing, only took like 5 seconds to finish an update (just close and reopen the browser) and best of all, they never broke extension compatibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oZ. Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 they never required effort from the user to begin installing, only took like 5 seconds to finish an update (just close and reopen the browser) and best of all, they never broke extension compatibility.That's so true, but Firefox still loads all the websites i visit perfectly. found a website (forgot what it was about) that has this built in map and the map didn't load. instead firefox loaded it instantly. so not many websites truly supports Chrome atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudboy Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 firefox doesnt really have anything that chrome doesnt Apart from the sheer number of extentions FF has over Chrome, which is why I still use FF. The day I switch is the day I am allowed to place the Roboform Toolbar where I want to in Chrome, instead of being forced to a stupid button or having it at the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosaji Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Firefox is and always will be the bestchrome is fast, but firefox is more cozyYes...the updates irritate a bit, but don't we update so many softwares again and again (IDM, KLM codec etc. etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted July 11, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted July 11, 2012 firefox doesnt really have anything that chrome doesnt Apart from the sheer number of extentions FF has over Chrome, which is why I still use FF. The day I switch is the day I am allowed to place the Roboform Toolbar where I want to in Chrome, instead of being forced to a stupid button or having it at the bottom. Addons. Extreme customizations, by extreme, I mean, exxxxxxtreme. No data harvesting, aka, tracking from Google. The list continues. Firefox is and always will be the best chrome is fast, but firefox is more cozy Yes...the updates irritate a bit, but don't we update so many softwares again and again (IDM, KLM codec etc. etc.) Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MISSYOU Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 kaspersky antivirus stop update because tired about firefox rapid updates, path(i) is finally extension support firefox 12 and belowbut IDM can be updated as quickly for firefox and flash player (the best programs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concept Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Using Secunia PSI v2.0 I see the major security flaws that Mozilla continues to put out with each new release, by changing the interface to accomplish what? and the built in SECURITY flaws using Firefox. Chrome is far and above safer for your money transactions, but that unique user tracking ID with Chrome was a very bad idea, even though the plugin to remove that feature seems to work in Chrome. Firefox seems to be now written by complete idiots, morons, and slackers. I know, ask them to get a new release out each week up until at least release #75, that will do the trick! Chrome is safer than anything Mozilla can produce... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T4C Fantasy Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 firefox doesnt really have anything that chrome doesnt Apart from the sheer number of extentions FF has over Chrome, which is why I still use FF. The day I switch is the day I am allowed to place the Roboform Toolbar where I want to in Chrome, instead of being forced to a stupid button or having it at the bottom. Addons. Extreme customizations, by extreme, I mean, exxxxxxtreme. No data harvesting, aka, tracking from Google. The list continues. Firefox is and always will be the best chrome is fast, but firefox is more cozy Yes...the updates irritate a bit, but don't we update so many softwares again and again (IDM, KLM codec etc. etc.) Couldn't agree more. you can customize chrome just as much, if you want customization then get opera, you cant customize firefox no where near as much as opera thats for sure, chrome has all the really important addons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codify Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 It was sheer arrogance from the Firefox devs to ignore the outcry over the rapid release cycle. They basically told people to screw themselves when they raised legitimate concerns about the frequent updates breaking extensions and ruining corporate rollouts. Now they are reaping the rewards - Chrome is overtaking firefox rapidly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chlorophyll Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 i really do hate freq updates from firefox ..such a crap they r running after chrome..would have loved it if they maintained their INDIVIDUALITY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted July 16, 2012 Author Administrator Share Posted July 16, 2012 Mozilla Responds Mozilla reacted to Xia's and Varma's criticisms both officially and unofficially. "Jono's analysis is interesting, but outdated," the company said in a statement issued to The Verge last week. "Today's Firefox updates are applied in the background with no interruptions; they even keep your Firefox add-ons compatible between releases." In that statement, Mozilla also repeated the argument it's used since it began considering a shorter release cycle -- that more frequent updates provide new features faster, as they're added upon completion rather than held until the next major upgrade. In the past, major upgrades were shipped about once a year. Johnathan Nightingale, director of Firefox engineering, used his personal blog to also respond, denying that Mozilla takes its users for granted, as Xia claimed. "Nonsense. I don't know how else to say it," said Nightingale about the charge. "In a very literal way, it just doesn't make sense for a non-profit organization devoted to user choice and empowerment on the Web to take users for granted. The impact of these changes on our users was a topic of daily conversation, and indeed, clearly, remains one." Nightingale did acknowledge that the shift to a faster cadence would have gone down better with users if Mozilla had streamlined the process from the start. Instead, Mozilla built a silent update mechanism piecemeal, starting in January 2012 -- more than half a year after the rapid release began -- and putting the last major component into place in April. (The final bits of silent updating are now slated to ship with Firefox 15 and Firefox 17, the editions that will debut in August and November.) Xia did not retract his comments, but in a follow-up blog he issued a blanket apology to former colleagues. "I'm deeply sorry if the result of my careless speech has been to make their jobs harder," he wrote on Friday. He also said he is still a Firefox user, and noted -- as he had in the initial July 5 post -- that he thought the browser's updates "have been much less obtrusive" of late. But he stuck to this primary point: Software developers don't understand how much users detest updates, even good ones. "The whole software industry needs to learn some humility," Xia said in his e-mail to Computerworld. "It's full of people who think their next Internet widget is going to be the salvation of humanity. It's not; it's just a tool we're offering to people in the hopes they find it useful. And a tool isn't very useful if the way you used it yesterday suddenly doesn't work tomorrow." ...................................... Changing browsers isn't the answer, Xia maintained. "There isn't another browser that manages updates better," he told Computerworld. "Apple, Google, and Microsoft all have the same attitude, that they should get to decide what versions of software their users are running." :view: View: Original Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcs18 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Strangely, my observation is everyone (me included) bitches about the frequency of updates, however - everyone (me included) installs them religiously (remember - most updates are betas.) :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBoi Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Firefox dev: "everybody hates Firefox updates"LIES because I don't hate it since I'm used to it and the updates are worth it. ^_^ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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