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    Advertisers want to know "exactly what you ate for breakfast."

    DENVER—Most smart TV operating system (OS) owners are in the ad sales business now. Software providers for budget and premium TVs are honing their ad skills, which requires advancing their ability to collect user data. This is creating an “inherent conflict” within the industry, Takashi Nakano, VP of content and programming at Samsung TV Plus, said at the StreamTV Show in Denver last week.

     

    During a panel at StreamTV Insider’s conference entitled “CTV OS Leader Roundtable: From Drivers to Engagement and Content Strategy,” Nakano acknowledged the opposing needs of advertisers and smart TV users, who are calling for a reasonable amount of data privacy.

     

    “Do you want your data sold out there and everyone to know exactly what you’ve been watching … the answer is generally no,” the Samsung executive said. “Yet, advertisers want all of this data. They wanna know exactly what you ate for breakfast."

     

    Nakano also suggested that the owners of OSes targeting smart TVs and other streaming hardware, like streaming sticks, are inundated with user data that may not actually be that useful or imperative to collect:

    I think that there's inherent conflict in the ad ecosystem supplying so much data. … We're fortunate to have all that data, but we're also like, ‘Do we really want to give it all, and hand it all out?’ There's a constant conflict around that, right? So how do we create an ecosystem where we can serve ads that are pretty good? Maybe it's not perfect ...

    Today, connected TV (CTV) OSes are largely built around not just gathering user data, but also creating ways to collect new types of information about viewers in order to deliver more relevant, impactful ads. LG, for example, recently announced that its smart TV OS, webOS, will use a new AI model that informs ad placement based on viewers’ emotions and personal beliefs.

     

    However, at a certain point, OS operators may be gathering more data than is truly helpful, which crosses viewers’ boundaries. Nakano said:

    I think we have to get comfortable between the advertiser, the operating system, and the systems in between to create more efficiencies. Because I do think it’s broken. I do think that there's so many different hops that these requests go through that aren't likely necessary and that they're a byproduct of inefficiencies that we try to patch.

    The executive added that he thinks the industry needs to "look at our ad ecosystem holistically and say, 'Okay, how can we make this work?'" because knowing everything about a particular streaming user is "not realistic."

    Spotlight on software

    The ability for streaming OSes to generate revenue is increasingly important to TV and streaming hardware makers such as Samsung, Amazon, LG, Roku, Vizio, and Walmart, which struggle with low margins and growing unit sales and seek more reliable growth from software’s ability to advertise to and track users.

     

    In a forecast shared this month, WPP Media (formerly GroupM) predicted that streaming TV will represent about 27 percent of TV advertising revenue in 2025 at $41.8 billion. The world’s biggest media investment firm expects streaming ad revenue to reach $71.9 billion by 2030. In January, research firm eMarketer predicted that CTV display ad spend would reach $33.35 billion this year and show double-digit annual growth rates to reach $46.89 billion in 2028. That gives OS operators a strong incentive to build software that can extract useful data from viewers and determine the types of ads that viewers will pay attention to.

     

    However, viewers aren’t demonstrating as much focus on the software of their streaming hardware. TV brands that Ars has spoken with have frequently pointed to picture quality and price as the top considerations for users. During the StreamTV Show panel, Nakano pointed to brand and picture quality as the top factors for people. He noted, however, that those “who buy Samsung TVs generally use the operating system, and that's how they navigate through the UI.”

     

    Katherine Pond, Vizio’s group VP of platform content and partnerships, noted during the panel that once someone buys a TV, OS operators are “not really in competition anymore.” However, OEMs still try to ensure that customers use their OSes, so that viewers are engaged for ads and potentially buy more devices from that brand.

     

    “You have to create a fitting, and you create a fitting by getting people into content that they love as soon as they can, or helping with discovery [and] helping search,” Jennifer Vaux, VP of content acquisition and programming at Roku Media, said during the panel.

     

    As TVs progress toward a battle of data, ads, and tracking over hardware sales and panel advancements, TV brands are largely invested in driving OSes that can serve advertisers’ needs. But there’s also a demand for navigable OSes that help users maximize their TV’s usage and find content they’ll enjoy. Here, we see another conflict facing TV OS owners. However, without ensuring that TV OSes serve users as well as they serve corporations, viewers are likely to replace their hardware’s software with slicker alternatives, like an Apple TV box.

     

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    This cr*p riles me. You spend thousands of your hard-earned money on a device and it spams you with ads.

     

    Device manufacturers profit from these ads and need to be held to account.

     

    I have a big-screen Sony running infected with Google TV. Fortunately I only use the TV as output from an HDMI connected LibreElec/RPi 5 based media player and have no interest in streaming or free-to-air TV, so I haven't configured Google TV or even enabled its Wi-Fi.

     

    EDIT: The OP's comments make good reading for workarounds. Many are suggesting instead using a connected Apple TV and disabling the TV's internet connection.

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    1 hour ago, Karlston said:

    This cr*p riles me. You spend thousands of your hard-earned money on a device and it spams you with ads.

    This is why I have Adguard installed on my TV.

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    5 hours ago, Matt said:

    This is why I have Adguard installed on my TV.

     

    I didn't know you could do that. That's AdGuard for Android TV

     

    I asked CoPilot how Google TV and Android TV are related...

     

    Can you explain what Google TV is and if it's related to Android TV?

     

    Absolutely! Google TV is essentially a new interface built on top of Android TV, so they’re closely related—think of it as Android TV with a makeover and some smart new features.

     

    Here’s how it breaks down:

     

    • Android TV is the underlying operating system that powers many smart TVs and streaming devices. It’s been around since 2014 and focuses on apps, much like a smartphone.

    • Google TV, introduced in 2020, is a more personalized and content-centric experience layered on top of Android TV. It emphasizes recommendations, watchlists, and a unified home screen that pulls content from all your streaming services

     

    So, if you’re using a device like the Chromecast with Google TV or a newer Sony or TCL smart TV, you’re likely experiencing Android TV under the hood—with the sleeker, smarter Google TV interface on top.

     

    Want help figuring out which one your device is running? I can walk you through it. Or we could dive into which features make Google TV stand out. Your call!

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    I have an 18 month old 65" LG which has never been connected to the internet yet runs the latest firmware version. I stream anything I want using an Android box with NordVPN, Netguard firewall and ad blockers in my browser, any information they get of mine will be useless anyway and I have not seen any unwanted ads yet. Many apps out there to give access to Apple TV and Netflix etc without using the official apps. Maybe we should have a section dedicated to TV & streaming privacy.

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    8 hours ago, Karlston said:

    I have a big-screen Sony running infected with Google TV.

    Likewise. I really dislike Google's intrusion. When I was looking for a TV my heart sank as I realised all the ones I wanted (for picture quality etc) were going to be a privacy nightmare.

     

    Most apps aren't available for it though even though it's Android under the hood, because the TV is excluded from the compatibility list (deliberately, of course). I've not investigated if sideloading is possible but given that the player apps that are available don't work properly anyway (kodi is useless on it), I can't be bothered.

     

    At the moment I'm using VLC installed on it (it's crashing repeatedly since an update; worked at first) to play movies from my NAS. I have a ugoos AM6B+ on the way though, since Windows seems to be a pain with HDR. I was thinking of disconnecting the TV from the internet, but I've got to used to being able to control it by voice from the Echo, without having to reach for a remote. It's remarkably handy for us. "Alexa, pause TV" when I get up for a cup of tea (or, more likely, a margarita).

     

    Since I don't watch any streaming stuff anyway, there's very little data it can report other than usage times. The annoyance is more the continual background advertising on the home screen. I tried disconnecting its internet for a while, but even that didn't get rid of the continually scrolling adverts. It just kept using what had clearly been cached, and whinging about lack of connection.

     

    I do recall seeing one of the automatically installed apps, and wondering what it was. I forget which now but one of the things it did was use AI to figure out and report what you watch and your habits. Pihole blocked that service here.

     

    While I hate the data reporting, adverts etc, I've mostly decided to live with it for the simple reason that we really are immune to adverts here. There's very little personal data they could gather about us from what we do here, that isn't readily available from elsewhere anyway (no point hiding purchases from Alexa... the shop knows and I'm sure they sell their (our!) data too). Not that Alexa gets to know anything she doesn't need to. The advertising itself is annoying but seeing at least some is the price of having modern tech. I just do what I can to minimise it.

     

    All that said... I might try and figure out the IP addresses or some other way of identifying it, that are used by the Echo when controlling to the TV, and block anything else with my firewall. One project at a time though.

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    7 hours ago, meohmy said:

    using an Android box

     

    Yup. That's the way to go. Internet is down? Who cares! I have a HDD plugged to my box. I don't stream anyways. All I want to watch goes on the HDD!

     

    Just started watching HBO's Rome. No ads, no nothing!

     

    And apps are compatible with a box!

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    4 hours ago, lurch234 said:

    All I want to watch goes on the HDD!

    Likewise; from movies to whole TV series on my NAS. We're re-watching Game of Thrones again right now, in 4K HDR. It's glorious, and as you say, no adverts, and no streaming compression artefacts. We've done it like that for many years.

     

    It all started back in the mid 90's when I networked my home office (man cave) with 10base2 coax, made an audio-PC with a SCSI CD-ROM and soundblaster card in my HiFi stack, and started ripping all my CDs to HDD. Much easier than having to get up and find a disc. Everything got ripped to HDD, then NAS, from then on. It's actually easier and quicker to just find a rip somewhere of course ;) 

     

    ---

     

    That Ugoos AM6B+ I have inbound seems to be the current bee's knees (or dog's danglies) for playing local remuxes and rips. Right up to the very latest Dolby Vision profile; the only box that can do that at the moment (thanks to a leaked key or something from Amazon and loophole present in the CPU). Loaded with CoreElec, that is, which is essentially a tiny Linux with Kodi on top.

     

    I'm still troubleshooting my Windows HDR/Audio issue, but the Ugoos box will play things that the PC can't even if I got it working, or at least not in full DV quality.

     

    Should be here in a week :) 

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