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    The SFPD is now authorized to use explosive robots when lives are at stake.

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    A Talon robot, one of the models in the SFPD robot lineup.
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    The San Francisco Board of Supervisors has voted to allow the San Francisco Police Department to use lethal robots against suspects, ushering the sci-fi dystopia trope into reality. As the AP reports, the robots would be remote-controlled—not autonomous—and would use explosives to kill or incapacitate suspects when lives are at stake.

     

    The police have had bomb disposal robots forever, but the Pandora's box of weaponizing them was originally opened by the Dallas Police Department. In 2016, after failed negotiations with a holed-up active shooter, the DPD wired up a disposal robot with explosives, drove it up to the suspect, and detonated it, killing the shooter. The SFPD now has the authority to make this a tactic.

     

    The police equipment policy being drafted details the SFPD's current robot lineup. The SFPD has 17 robots in total, 12 of which are currently functioning. The AP says that the police department doesn't have any "pre-armed" robots yet and "has no plans to arm robots with guns" but that it could rig up explosives to a robot. Some bomb disposal robots do their "disposal" work by firing a shotgun shell at the bomb, so in essence, they are already rolling guns. Like most police gear, these robots have close ties to the military, and some of the bomb disposal robots owned by the SFPD, like the Talon robot, are also sold to the military configured as remote-controlled machine-gun platforms.

     

    For now, though, the SFPD is focusing on exploding robots, and SFPD spokesperson Allison Maxie told the AP, “Robots equipped in this manner would only be used in extreme circumstances to save or prevent further loss of innocent lives."

     

    The San Francisco Public Defender’s office sent a letter to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors saying “the ability to kill community members remotely” is "dehumanizing and militaristic" and that "the streets of San Francisco are neither a battlefield nor a war zone." The letter also notes that most other jurisdictions have rejected the idea of police with killer robots—Virginia, Maine, and North Dakota have banned weaponized robots, and Oakland backed away from an armed robot program after public backlash. New York only got to the point of surveillance robots before the public uproar started, and the NYPD shut down the program.

     

    The SF Board of Supervisors approved the new policy with a vote of 8-3.

     

     

    San Francisco allows police to use robots to remotely kill suspects


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    The question is Do we really need them? The example given above i.e. when there is a hostage situation,

    is obviously flawed.In hostage situations the gunman/terrorist stays close to the hostages and uses them

    as protection from police snipers, so sending a robot loaded with explosives to take him out is a non-starter

    unless you want to kill all the hostages as well.

    Better to send in a robot playing rap music and bore him to death.:w00t::w00t::w00t:

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    It simply means that you can kill obviously innocent people, because if it's a suspect, you can't claim that the suspect is guilty of anything. Just as well, someone can make a malicious opinion about someone, that it's the one they suspect and that's it.
    So it's very tough there, if you want to shoot someone, it's enough if to says that I suspected....or someone suspected... and everyhing is OK.

    Tough stuff, worse than during the war.

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    They're sort of like a terrestrial drone which blurs the distinction between police and military. Could be compared to the existing bomblet dropping drones where the drone is controlled remotely including the drop.

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    1 hour ago, Kalju said:

    It simply means that you can kill obviously innocent people, because if it's a suspect, you can't claim that the suspect is guilty of anything. Just as well, someone can make a malicious opinion about someone, that it's the one they suspect and that's it.
    So it's very tough there, if you want to shoot someone, it's enough if to says that I suspected....or someone suspected... and everyhing is OK.

    Tough stuff, worse than during the war.

    Skynet will come, sooner than later.  Humans play God for some time now.  I guess, our fate will be eventually decided by a machine which follows a certain algorithm invented by a human who made a mistake as irrelevant he/she might have thought and then the machine pushes a button and this episode of evolution is over.  Who says, who can really say this shit did not happen before, and we simply make the same mistakes over and over again????? 

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