steven36 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 API glitch also affects Edge, but who the frack cares about that? The Angry Fox is your guarantee that someone at Mozilla is piiiiissed GOOGLE HAS been accused of slowing down YouTube on other browsers by none other than Mozilla. The problem doesn't appear to be so much a case of malice, but more failure to think outside the box, as both Firefox and Microsoft Edge, a browser popular in small communities of primitive computer users, seem to have been affected, claims Chris Peterson, Mozilla's technical program manager. He explains that the issue is being caused by the use of an API called Shadow DOM v0 - which is not only exclusive to Chrome but is actually depreciated already. Up until recently, when YouTube had its 'Polymer' makeover, there was no issue, but now there's one heck of one, from a competitive point of view. Quote YouTube serves a Shadow DOM polyfill to Firefox and Edge that is, unsurprisingly, slower than Chrome's native implementation. On my laptop, initial page load takes 5 seconds with the polyfill vs 1 without. Subsequent page navigation perf is comparable. — Chris Peterson (@cpeterso) July 24, 2018 As a result, Edge and Firefox are already at a disadvantage and, claims Peterson, the result is noticeable. Now, here's the rub. If YouTube was already being presented as "this is YouTube - if your browser won't support it, it's their problem" then we wouldn't be in this mess. But there was none of that this time and given that Internet Explorer 11 is allowed to run the old YouTube interface, the fact that Firefox and Edge are being made to suffer is partly because it hasn't moved from the obsolete Shadow DOM Polyfill v0 to the current (and supported) v1. Other browsers should be serviced by whichever interface they can support and given the lack of performance for Firefox, the Mozilla Corp argues that Firefox should serve up the old interface until the DOM plug-in has been updated. There are third-party extensions available that allow access to older site designs, but should it be necessary? Is that fair on the less computer savvy YouTube watcher? The accusations have come just a day after Google released Chrome version 68 which made encrypted sites the norm, and unencrypted sites the stuff of flashy-light warning death. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 How to make YouTube five times faster if you don’t use Chrome Google launched a new YouTube design nearly a year ago, but if you’ve been using Edge, Safari, or Firefox then you’ve probably wondered why YouTube is loading so slowly. Mozilla program manager Chris Peterson has highlighted the issue this week, and it’s not your alternative browser that’s to blame. Google’s redesign still relies on a deprecated shadow API that’s only implemented in Chrome, making other browsers render YouTube five times slower. It’s the latest case of Google building and tuning its web services so they work better or only work in the company’s Chrome browser. Google Meet, Allo, YouTube TV, Google Earth, and YouTube Studio Beta have all blocked Microsoft Edge in the past, and Google Meet, Google Earth, and YouTube TV have all also been blocked if you use Firefox. Google even blocked its Google Maps service on Windows Phone years ago in a passive-aggressive move that it eventually reversed. It’s an ongoing problem that means Chrome is slowly turning into the next Internet Explorer 6. While YouTube still works on non-Chrome browsers, it often loads far slower while you wait for the page elements to fill. It’s a daily problem that makes you think your internet connection is slow or your browser is broken. YouTube also encourages users to download and install Chrome with various pop-up notifications, and if you do then you’ll notice YouTube will load instantly. Google could update YouTube to use Polymer 2.0 or even 3.0 which both support the deprecated API, but the company has decided to stick to using Polymer 1.0 that was originally released in 2015. It’s an odd decision, especially when you consider that Polymer is an open-source JavaScript library that is developed by Google Chrome engineers. Thankfully, there’s a way to force YouTube back to the old redesign and avoid the slow loading issues on non-Chrome browsers. Reverting back will mean you’ll lose the updated design and the dark mode feature in YouTube, though. Firefox users can download a YouTube classic extension to force the site to load properly, while Safari and Edge users will need to use a custom Tampermonkey user script to get the classic design. Edge users: Download Tampermonkey for Edge from the Microsoft Store Enable Tampermonkey in settings > extensions within Edge Download this user script to force YouTube to the classic mode Safari users: Download Tampermonkey for Safari Safari will prompt you to Trust or Cancel the installation to enable Tampermonkey Download this user script to force YouTube to the classic mode Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharelol Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 For me works fine. I use 2 scripts: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/32906-get-me-old-youtube https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/9932-youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sharelol said: For me works fine. I use 2 scripts: Me too i been using a user script for like a year now It took Mozilla a year to complain about it , back when they 1st changed it annoyed me to no end that's why I done something to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekkio Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Google isn't slowing down YouTube on Firefox. That's just Mozilla projecting themselves. Mozilla always blames others for what they are themselves doing. They ruined their browser so much that they slowed down video playing on it. They ruined it so hard even YouTube's best-in-class video player can't help it But it's Google's fault for having a browser that performs better than our bloated Firefox ! They might just as well try Waterfox and see how fast it is without their official bloatware. Firefox is a joke, only the fool uses the official build. Sane people use fork versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katanga Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Firefox Nightly 63.0a1 (2018-07-24) (64 bit) works fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 35 minutes ago, Rekkio said: Google isn't slowing down YouTube on Firefox. That's just Mozilla projecting themselves. Mozilla always blames others for what they are themselves doing. They ruined their browser so much that they slowed down video playing on it. They ruined it so hard even YouTube's best-in-class video player can't help it But it's Google's fault for having a browser that performs better than our bloated Firefox ! They might just as well try Waterfox and see how fast it is without their official bloatware. Firefox is a joke, only the fool uses the official build. Sane people use fork versions. Back when i 1st started having issues was back before they even changed there browser. But good try though its not just a problem on Firefox its a issue with any browser that uses DOM v0 They still alow IE to use the old API and pushed the new api on the rest of the browsers .. Just like Google pushed DRM on others and just like there trying push broken https on everyone . Waterfox is not going make it no faster because it uses DOM v0.. The heck with Chrome and there fake security . If you build a web site to only render right under a certain browser it will only work right on that browser . Years ago they use to build sites that would only work right with IE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 Here is a post on reddit from 3 months ago Firefox loads YouTube and other google base services extremely slow. Quote 3 months ago* by jbustter2 I've tested and with chrome everything works. Refreshing firefox and restarting in safe mode didn't help . Everything else seems to work fine. Top answer Quote Daktyl198 13 points 3 months ago This is mostly because google has started using a lot of extremely experimental features in its user-facing sites that no other browser vendor has added to their browser yet, forcing them to use JavaScript shims. So to even render the page, Firefox first has to compile and run a complicated JavaScript library to properly read some of the HTML google used. The features in question are parts of WebComponents, which is a set of additions to HTML5 that Google proposed to W3C but that other browser vendors really want to flesh out properly into specs that everybody can agree on before adding them. Google being Google instead added the features to chrome and now require them on all of their sites. https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/8durso/firefox_loads_youtube_and_other_google_base/ If i run into any problems using Firefox or Waterfox on any site i use open source Chromium ..I would not touch Google Chrome with a 10 foot pole I never used it other than in some test i ran on browsers years ago. On windows I use Firefox and have Waterfox and Chromium portables. On Linux I just use Waterfox and I have Chromium for a backup. Downloads for ungoogled-chromium https://ungoogled-software.github.io/ungoogled-chromium-binaries/ Here is a very good one chromium fork for android https://www.bromite.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurch234 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 6 hours ago, steven36 said: Microsoft Edge, a browser popular in small communities of primitive computer users Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordnsane Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I don't think mozilla is playing any blame games here, youtube is using experimental features optimized/only available on chrome. But, Google owns Youtube and Chrome, so do you guys think it's justified to optimize one of your product for better compatibility with other? As I see this, it's like blaming Apple for optimizing iOS and macOS for their hardware itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted July 26, 2018 Administrator Share Posted July 26, 2018 So that is why it always opens slow here. Kind of unsure if anyone of them is wrong here. Mozilla needs to start using the newer library, but if that library is still in development, then you cannot force others to use it. Rather, suggest them or convince them to use it. I think people are suggesting that Google has done it on purpose, but that's up for debate. The problem with this is that Google, in order to fix this issue, rather than giving support to previous library versions that Firefox uses, will instead give an outdated or crappy version of the page to Firefox users I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkc21 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I hope the get their a$$es sued for doing that kind of thing, don't be Evil Google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pc71520 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-classic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 it's their platform, they can do whatever they want with it. Bill gates says This world is not fair, get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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