Music Industry Worried About CD Burning

[myidisbb]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050814/ap_en_...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Music copied onto blank recordable CDs is becoming a bigger threat to the bottom line of record stores and music labels than online file-sharing, the head of the recording industry's trade group said Friday.

"Burned" CDs accounted for 29 percent of all recorded music obtained by fans in 2004, compared to 16 percent attributed to downloads from online file-sharing networks, said Mitch Bainwol, chief executive for the Recording Industry Association of America.

The data, compiled by the market research firm NPD Group, suggested that about half of all recordings obtained by music fans in 2004 were due to authorized CD sales and about 4 percent from paid music downloads.

"CD burning is a problem that is really undermining sales," Bainwol said in an interview prior to speaking before about 750 members of the National Association of Recording Merchandisers in San Diego Friday.

Copy protection technology "is an answer to the problem that clearly the marketplace is going to see more of," he added.

Album sales in the North America are down about 7 percent this year compared with a year ago, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

Yet the recording industry has seen a lift from online music sales, which when factored in with album and sales of CD singles increased overall music sales through July to 21 percent over last year.

The focus on CD burning Friday was welcomed by Alayna Hill-Alderman, who said she has seen music CD sales slide in recent years while sales of blank recordable CDs have soared.

"We are feeling the decline in our store sales, especially with regard to R&B and the hip-hop world," said Hill-Alderman, co-owner of Record Archive, a two-store company operating in Rochester, N.Y. "It's all due to burning. We've lost tremendous amounts of those sales to flea markets and bodegas."

After experimenting with copy-protected CDs in Europe and Latin America in recent years, some record labels have begun releasing albums in North America with similar copy restrictions. The CDs typically allow users to burn no more than a handful of copies.

Velvet Revolver's "Contraband," released last year, was equipped with such copy-protection technology and grabbed the top sales spot in its debut week.

Some saw that as a sign music fans didn't mind CDs with copy restrictions. But other releases since, such as the latest Foo Fighters album, have sometimes spawned fan complaints that the restrictions go too far or create technology conflicts with portable audio devices.

Simon Wright, chief executive of Virgin Entertainment Group International, which oversees the Virgin chain of music stores, said he's in favor of labels releasing more albums in a copy-protected CD format, regardless of the potential for consumer backlash.

"If, particularly, the technology allows two-to-three burns, that's well within acceptable limits and I don't think why consumers should have any complaints," Wright said.

my take. more lies, twisting of data and ignoring the customer. if a music CD has copy protection then it is NOT a freaken music CD. it is an illegal format. whats the point of having all these standards? usa is the only nation in the world that actually buys most of the music legally (some european nations maybe). most other nations are pirated copies. so to piss off their last legaly buying customers is stupid. i actually found a few legal dvd movies in south korea once, they cost $49.99. the vcds where $4-5.

if you look at the future, cd-rs support will be stopped in a few years. that now will be push more.

[Guest justice4all]

if you look at the future, cd-rs support will be stopped in a few years.  that now will be push more.

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that sucks balls... ;)

[erRor67]

does this come back to the issue with recording tapes and all?

[nsane]

that whole report is nothing but b/s they pull out their ass.

1) sales are down because the sued all their customers (how they ganna buy a CD if you took their money?!)

2) it's also because the people they haven't sued don't wanna help them sue more people by giving them money

3) all the CDs lately suck

there's the real resons sales are down, plus, i doubt they calculated how many people are using legitimate download services (napster, etc) ;)

[SliverSamuel]

True, 'cept for the part on the "CDs lately suck" ;)

[Guest oxygenuk]

all music sucks nowdays so i dont see the point in paying alot for it.

even if they do stop cdr's we'll still be able to find them or do it another way

[nsane]

anydvd already bypasses cd protection ^_^

and from what the report says, the limitation is that your only allowed to make x number of copies (not a complete block). so, basicly, we'll be able to just copy the songs to mp3 or iso and burn it as many times as we want. only need to copy the DISC once :huh:

[myidisbb]

anydvd already bypasses cd protection ^_^

and from what the report says, the limitation is that your only allowed to make x number of copies (not a complete block). so, basicly, we'll be able to just copy the songs to mp3 or iso and burn it as many times as we want. only need to copy the DISC once :huh:

it would have to install a crap software to drm it i would think. not that simple shitty sony data on the outer rim edge of music cd that was crack by a marker.

turn auto play off on the drive. that data protection music cds didnt play in computers nor car systems. so this would have to have something in the actually song music that wouldnt messup in car and portal systems. and still be playable in dvd/cd players homesystems and computers. it should be easy to bypass this drm crap. just a pain. you know some shit head sits on these ceo boards of the music companies and sells these copy protection crap to the others. if i was a stock holder of these companies i vote them out. copy protection schemes are a waste of money and resources.

this is also a push for the 2 dvd music formats. opps they are already out of date since they are going to blue laser format. the two dvd music formats are in red laser. heheh. stupid idiots.

[nsane]

trust me, we won't be seeing any movies that only come on blu-ray for AWHILE. you could still just rent the DVD format ^_^ and you know how many people almost lost it at blockbuster when movies started coming out on dvd only?! those peeps are ganna be super pissed since they have to buy yet another player because these fools can't make up their minds :)

plus, by the time we do, i'm pretty sure we'll have burners and stuff for em. i mean, think about it, how long was the DVD format out before burners became affordable? :huh:

[myidisbb]

trust me, we won't be seeing any movies that only come on blu-ray for AWHILE. you could still just rent the DVD format ^_^ and you know how many people almost lost it at blockbuster when movies started coming out on dvd only?! those peeps are ganna be super pissed since they have to buy yet another player because these fools can't make up their minds :)

plus, by the time we do, i'm pretty sure we'll have burners and stuff for em. i mean, think about it, how long was the DVD format out before burners became affordable? :huh:

since the ussc ruled that the fcc rule on controling dvd players was illegal now we will be seeing dvd players that actaully skips and plays mpeg4 (not the afi ms crap). it also made hdtv graphic cards legal for computers again.

the smart thing to do is make a blue dvd player that is backwards for all red dvd/music mp3 vcd and mpeg4. best yet let us put a disk in the player or connect with a usb port and install other a/v formats with a restore disk to the orginal setup if it messes up. thats what i would sell if i was in charge of one of the companies. it could be done and sold cheap. remember the $100 laptops they wanted to sell to 3rd world terrorist groups? (we all know thats who would goteen them) that idea hopely is dead.

i wonder what crap drm longhorn opps vista (copyright problem) windows OS will have in the end.

[Guest justice4all]

all music sucks nowdays so i dont see the point in paying alot for it.

even if they do stop cdr's we'll still be able to find them or do it another way

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I agree that music nowdays sucks....and even if there is a good song or two, there's no point to buying an album if you can download it for free. And if they do stop CD-R's, there will be another way. I mean, if software from the biggest software company in the world (Microsoft) can be cracked in a week, then i'm sure there is a way past this.

[erRor67]

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the smart thing to do is make a blue dvd player that is backwards for all red dvd/music mp3 vcd and mpeg4.  best yet let us put a disk in the player or connect with a usb port and install other a/v formats with a restore disk to the orginal setup if it messes up.  thats what i would sell if i was in charge of one of the companies.  it could be done and sold cheap.  remember the $100 laptops they wanted to sell to 3rd world terrorist groups?  (we all know thats who would goteen them)  that idea hopely is dead.

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might as well support rarDVD (which might be comming) and DivX (which some players already support). ;)

[Myrak]

The whole article is about how CD burning is causing loss in CD sales, right? I don't see how loading shitloads of DRM onto the CDs (thus increasing production costs, and then the price which the consumer pays) is going to increase sales. Once people figure out that they can't do [listening/backing up/etc] with the album/single they paid good money for, they're gonna turn to free sources such as P2P.

The supposed "increased sales" would be an average amount or even less than usual record sales, it's just because they decided to track and compare a few random DRM'd albums against an imaginary number of sales, because they have nothing to compare it to since these are the first records of their kind. And with the variable of some of those records being popular and mainstream (Foo Fighters' album, Bon Jovi's single) and some other's not so well known. Plus, regular consumers wouldn't know it's protected, they'd just go into the store and buy it just like any other album. They wouldn't go, "Hey, this album is Digitally Protected! I'll specifically choose this one! :lol:".

Maybe if they compared sales to unhappy consumers of those sales, they'd get a good idea of the shit they're doing.

Those morons are trying to fix something that isn't broken (CDs), and by doing so, increasing the other problem they are so desperately against (P2P) :lol:

I wish they'd make up their minds :lol:

[nsane]

they just hate everything that they don't control (aka. they don't make money from it) :lol:

[SliverSamuel]

true again, we should mabe jus give them some pity :lol:

[boulder omen]

its pretty stupid really, theyve gotten cracked within 24 hours, rip with anydvd and copy to cd.

[Rudeboy2025]

This is just stupid. The Music Industry cries about it because they don't make money, the Artists cry about it even though they make millions. This problem has been going on for like 5 years now and they start crying about it now. :thumbsup: :blink:

[Myrak]

This is just stupid.  The Music Industry cries about it because they don't make money, the Artists cry about it even though they make millions.  This problem has been going on for like 5 years now and they start crying about it now.  :)  :)

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Eh, I reckon they're just looking for scapegoats. CD sales are down because online sales are starting to grow (at least according to all the biased media reports you see everywhere :sneaky:).

The industry has to take one model or the other, can't be both. And from what people are like, online music has some future, CDs are the past >_>

[Samurai]

Well exactly. Over in the UK, there are a few islands surrounding the UK where they do not have to pay tax over anything over £18 (~$40). This is the perfect opportunity for business to set up shop and sell music, games and DVD's with little or no increase in price.

According to many websites, the MPAA & RIAA were unhappy that many citizens in the UK could purchase an item with literally no price hike like everywhere else. They made a complaint to the government and as such the tax is now being put in place, with some retailers having resided there for years being forced to either put up or shut up. Many of these retailers were getting such a huge profit (from the obvious demand for cheap media) that nearly all offered free postage on all items, no matter the cost. This will probably be overturned at some point in the near future.

It's disgraceful.

Another site (CD Wow) were given a kick in the teeth for importing their music and DVD's they sold from Asia (legit copies) where the items are much much cheaper. Ultimately they were forced to increase their prices to match those of a normal retailer.

Tesco's. Another huge retailer were critiscised for importing Levi's from Europe where they are significantly lower in price than in the UK. I'm unsure of the outcome of this but it just goes to show, someone somewhere wants as much money as they can get.

Don't get me wrong... if a CD gets released where I enjoy at least 90% of the tracks I'll be the first to buy it. I will not however buy the full album for 2 tracks with the rest being garbage.

If I could move abroad I would. Unless you happen to live in the UK, no one will ever understand the prices we have to put up with. The sad fact is, the high prices are not needed and everyone knows it.